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T120 engines in Norton Featherbed frames

Re: T120 engines in Norton Featherbed frames

Postby acotrel » Sun May 11, 2014 6:31 pm

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acotrel wrote:I rode plenty of old AJS/Matchless singles when I was a kid. We used to give them a good thrashing on public roads long before speed cameras were invented. They handled like a bag of shit - worse than a pre-unit Triumph, and much worse than a featherbed dommie. A BSA single or twin with the post 1954 frame was a much better deal as long as you threw the fork yokes away and fitted the ones from the unit construction Triumph 650 (about 1963 model). AJS/Matchless fixed at lot of their problems in about 1963, anything in their road bikes between WW2 and then, is rubbish.


Out of interest. Did you ever try a G12 or G15 framed bike? Believe they came in 1960 as a full cradle frame..


Only ever rode the old style frame with the alloy block holding the swing arm. I know a lot of the post 60 AMC bikes were a lot better. The 650 CSR twin was excellent, and I love the singles from about 1963. I saw two at Bathurst in about that year and they were to die for. There should still be some around, there were not eligible for Period 3 historics, however I saw a motor in the back of a ute at one race meeting. I believe those models had the G50 pressed up bottom end.
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Re: T120 engines in Norton Featherbed frames

Postby lcgtr » Mon May 12, 2014 12:41 am

Time Warp wrote:Maybe someone will do a 961 Triton. :D

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.


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Re: T120 engines in Norton Featherbed frames

Postby acotrel » Thu May 15, 2014 4:33 am

It looks like a really great bike. If someone was a bit smart they would collude with Norton and Triumph and build the 961 Triton on a continuous production basis. It might help justify the overheads for the two bikes already in production by creating economies of scale.
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Re: T120 engines in Norton Featherbed frames

Postby Triton Thrasher » Thu May 15, 2014 9:44 am

acotrel wrote:It looks like a really great bike. If someone was a bit smart they would collude with Norton and Triumph and build the 961 Triton on a continuous production basis. It might help justify the overheads for the two bikes already in production by creating economies of scale.


Norton's production wouldn't add any scale to Triumph.

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Re: T120 engines in Norton Featherbed frames

Postby Rohan » Thu May 15, 2014 4:33 pm

It would also probably takes sales away from Norton.
Looks neater, and would be less expensive ?

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Re: T120 engines in Norton Featherbed frames

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Re: T120 engines in Norton Featherbed frames

Postby acotrel » Fri May 16, 2014 5:39 am

Rohan wrote:It would also probably takes sales away from Norton.
Looks neater, and would be less expensive ?


That's the sort of mindset our Australian politicians currently have. It is more about screwing more out of the status quo than growing a bigger pie. I suggest that if the Triton , the 961 Norton and the Triumph twins raced each other on a level playing field and developed partisan cult followings, the companies might sell more bikes. 'Racing improves the breed'. However it takes a different attitude towards speed by the authorities. I believe the kit car industry in the UK is bigger than the rural sector - why is this ?
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Re: T120 engines in Norton Featherbed frames

Postby Rohan » Fri May 16, 2014 5:16 pm

acotrel wrote:That's the sort of mindset


Nortons would sure need to pay special attention here, if their overall sales are going to diminish !!
Never mind what games some silly politicians are playing elsewhere....

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Re: T120 engines in Norton Featherbed frames

Postby acotrel » Sat May 17, 2014 1:59 pm

So you are saying that there is a finite number of potential sales for that sort of bike, each year ? I suggest that with the right approach towards creating enthusiasm, it is possible to grow your own market. A fifties café racer is what it is for a certain reason which had to do with kids who loved their road race heroes - we need a level playing field for a class which caters for the 961 Norton etc.
Have a look at modern motorcycles - they are all throw-away items. Their sameness has the potential to destroy motorcycling. Why would you sit out in the breeze on a motorcycle which does everything perfectly when you could sit inside a nice warm car which does everything perfectly ?
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Re: T120 engines in Norton Featherbed frames

Postby acotrel » Sat May 17, 2014 2:07 pm

When I look at the 961 and that Triumph engined 961 based café racer, I feel the urge. I never get that when I look at modern Japanese road bikes, and only minimally when I look at a MotoGP race bike. The Japanese bike would make those retros look stupid in performance, however if the bike doesn't inspire you, why would you ride it ? Droning down long highways on a four cylinder sports bike is my idea of hell - the utmost in frustration. Ducatis are too expensive and complicated in every way, however I love them - how could you ever own one ?
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