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Postby acotrel » Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:04 pm

I use this photo as my desktop and I am wondering if anyone on this forum has similar from the 50s or 60s. (It is from Morton's Archives ). I find I can immediately identify about 6 riders and machines and I wonder if the young guys these days can do that with modern MotoGP startlines ?

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Postby grandpaul » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:40 am

Bonus points if you can point yourself out in the crowd!
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Postby baz » Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:07 pm

love this photo
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Re: Strartline photos

Postby nickguzzi » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:17 am

That's Mallory Park, with Devils Elbow coming down from the upper right, disappearing from the picture. Riders heading off towards Gerards.

It is the Post TT meeting - late 60's - and attracted most of the works teams (Ago's MV just disappering) and leading privateers on their way back to the next Classic. Good prize money and start money was available to most competitors back then.

I would be out of shot, far to the left. Dad, Joe Robinson and I were "rope gate" marshals. The 1" rope being sufficient deterrent to stop people wandering on to the track, but allowing us to let riders with problems off and into the paddock. We had our own rope.

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Postby Bernhard » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:20 am

Who was that “happy guy” with the broom sweeping cement dust onto the oil spills :?: :(

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Postby grandpaul » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:47 am

Before the "sticker crazy" days...

Just numbers
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Re: Strartline photos

Postby Bernhard » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:14 am

Since having to pay £26000 in fines for noise breaches in 2013 Malloy Park has closed and reopened;

Mallory Park to Close;
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Mar/130306y.htm

Delight for motorsport fans as Mallory Park reopens;
http://www.itv.com/news/central/2014-03 ... k-reopens/

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Postby grandpaul » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:14 am

I really dislike the concept whereby race tracks that were built, and existed far away from "civilization" for many years, are being forced to curtail or cease operations due to creeping residential construction and subsequent noise restrictions.

IN MY OPINION, adjacent developments should have deed restrictions forbidding any NEW property owners from making any demands on EXISTING property owners. In this manner, I have a deed restriction on my property disallowing me from claiming any injury from aircraft overflying my home as they land and take off. THEY WERE HERE FIRST.
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Re: Strartline photos

Postby Fast Eddie » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:14 am

grandpaul wrote:I really dislike the concept whereby race tracks that were built, and existed far away from "civilization" for many years, are being forced to curtail or cease operations due to creeping residential construction and subsequent noise restrictions.

IN MY OPINION, adjacent developments should have deed restrictions forbidding any NEW property owners from making any demands on EXISTING property owners. In this manner, I have a deed restriction on my property disallowing me from claiming any injury from aircraft overflying my home as they land and take off. THEY WERE HERE FIRST.


I basically agree with you GP, and I'm a big fan and regular rider around Mallory. But... As usual, there's two sides to every story... As I understand it, Mallory had permission / a licence to run a certain number of noise restriction free events each year, but they blatantly broke that and held more such events than allowed. Given the high attention paid to such things by locals, and the inability to deny / defend it, that was a bit stupid and is therefore kinda difficult to defend really.

One other 'modern' problem that those living near race tracks face is the vastly increased use. In the '50s and 60s there would be a few dedicated test days on week days and races at weekends. These days, with the popularity of tracks days, tracks can be holding events 7 days a week, often with weekend events turning into minor rock festivals! That's gotta be kinda tough on those nearby unless there is good control of noise.

Most tracks seem to put little or no effort into noise 'insulation'. Large earth banks, high plackards, planting of trees and bushes would all help to absorb / deflect noise and wouldn't be hugely difficult or expensive.

An additional issue here in the UK is that the country is just so small! In the US you can build tracks that are miles from anywhere. In the UK you're either close to a built up area, or in a protected areas of natural beauty / interest. There's not much wiggle room left!

The reality of the situation is, if we want to continue enjoying our hobby, we have to do so in a way that considers others, otherwise, sooner or later, we'll no longer be able to do so at all.
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Re: Strartline photos

Postby nickguzzi » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:01 am

Mallory Park is more or less right in the village, at least the competitors entrance and Shaws Corner is.
There has been constant hassle about noise - even when I first started going in the 50's - back then there had to be an hour with no noise between 12pm to 1pm or was it 1pm to 2pm so the church service could proceed uninterrupted.

There have been constant tussles. The clubs, competitors and the locals and various planning bodies feel they have not been best served by the last couple of owners. Made far worse by the sort of blatant disregard of abatement agreements.

Perhaps what they want is for the track to be forced to be closed and they will then turn it into a massive housing development, for which as a brownfield site, they would possibly get extra tax breaks.

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Postby Bernhard » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:59 am

I wasn’t aware that the race tracks, Mallory Park in particular, had permission to run unlimited noise track days, they are ALL as far as I am aware subject to noise regulations hence in recent years the ACU subjected Manxs, 7Rs e.t.c. to a noise reducing muffers and noise was strictly enforced on race days , I went to the festival of 1000 bikes at Mallory a few years ago and noticed a few Manxs there with open race megaphones and thought that if they run these on Sunday like the programme said they would –there may be trouble ahead………..so where was the guy with the Noise Meter :?:

http://festivalof1000bikes.co.uk/default.aspx

http://www.vmccnorthwest.co.uk/fest1000bi.html

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Re: Strartline photos

Postby Fast Eddie » Thu Nov 24, 2016 11:44 am

Bernhard wrote:I wasn’t aware that the race tracks, Mallory Park in particular, had permission to run unlimited noise track days, they are ALL as far as I am aware subject to noise regulations hence in recent years the ACU subjected Manxs, 7Rs e.t.c. to a noise reducing muffers and noise was strictly enforced on race days , I went to the festival of 1000 bikes at Mallory a few years ago and noticed a few Manxs there with open race megaphones and thought that if they run these on Sunday like the programme said they would –there may be trouble ahead………..so where was the guy with the Noise Meter :?:

http://festivalof1000bikes.co.uk/default.aspx

http://www.vmccnorthwest.co.uk/fest1000bi.html


It said it in the programme because that was one of the noise limit free days!

Not sure how many such days they get, and I'm pretty sure its not for actual races, only certain track days / parades etc.
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Re: Strartline photos

Postby acotrel » Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:21 pm

In Australia, the controlling body for motorcycle sport enforces use of noise meters at race meetings. We still get the situation where individuals get a bee in their bonnet and try to destroy other peoples' fun. If you think about it sensibly, motor sport is probably the only opportunity for young people to apply their skills and knowledge of technology in a constructive way. If we kill that off, in future it will be all computer games and drugs. I am now nearly 75 years of age, and I firmly believe we oldies have seen the best of everything. Unless the young guys of today make a concerted effort, they will lose the few remaining opportunities for real pleasure. The biggest killers in motorsport are the insurance and track maintenance costs. These days even a few practice laps on our local circuit incurs a cost of over $200.
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Postby acotrel » Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:33 pm

When I was racing regularly over a 12 year period, I had a young family and a very responsible job, so I always felt guilty. These days I am into my second marriage and retired. I look back on my life with only one regret - I should have done more road racing and bought better machinery to do it with. This is not a good situation. Two things I have learned - 'the system runs on bullshit' and 'you have to have an active manhood'. If your wife really loves you, she will help you.
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