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Postby mike mcmanus » Wed May 03, 2006 6:32 pm

Sorry Norbsa, i didn't get the thread on the killswitch for some reason , could you send it again.
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Postby norbsa48503 » Wed May 03, 2006 6:59 pm

Last bit, eighth post down in this thread.
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Postby Ron L » Thu May 04, 2006 4:08 am

The kill switch is another good place to use a relay. The relay will hold in with reduced current from the kill switch if it is a little corroded, but the primary circuit of the relay will always transmit full voltage to the Boyer. Plus you can mount the relay out of the weather!
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Postby mike mcmanus » Thu May 04, 2006 1:48 pm

Thanks for your help fellas, i will attack it on the weekend.
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kill button relay

Postby illf8ed » Thu May 04, 2006 5:15 pm

Hi Ron,

The kill button is normally closed, when pushed it's open. A relay is normally open until powered, then closes. If you connect the kill circuit directly to the relay won't the relay be biased at rest creating a current drain? How do you get around that?
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Postby mike mcmanus » Thu May 04, 2006 6:41 pm

Once you turn the ignition switch off there isn't any power going to the kill switch anyhow is there.
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Postby dave M » Thu May 04, 2006 8:09 pm

There are relays available that switch between alternate terminals. If you use the kill switch as an earth for the relay then it's default position with ignition on will be 'power to ignition' when you push it in it it breaks the circuit to the coil allowing the relay to switch to the unused terminal thus breaking the feed to the ignition system. I will have a look and see if I can find the Bosch part number for this relay.
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Postby L.A.B. » Thu May 04, 2006 10:43 pm

I believe what dave M is describing is normally known as a 'change over relay', these and other relay types being recognisable by the numbered pins, in this case being 30-85-86-87-87a.
http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.co.u ... elays.html
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12 volt battery

Postby Jota » Thu May 04, 2006 11:08 pm

Mike: If you don't know, a fully charged 12v battery will show AT LEAST 12.6volts. 12.0 volts is partially discharged. Electronic ignition systems are very particular about proper voltage. In the automotive world, I have found that vehicles with bad alternators will lose the ignition when voltage drops below 11.5v, on average. The old ones with points will run sometimes as low as 4.5volts before quitting.
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Postby Ron L » Fri May 05, 2006 7:21 am

David,
I use Bosch style relays. Working from memory, I took the feed from the negative terminal of the battery through a fuse to the "30" terminal of the relay and from the "87" terminal of the relay to the Boyer. The white/yellow wire from the kill button ('71 or later) goes to terminal "86" and terminal "87" is sent to ground.
In this manner the relay is energized when the key is turned on which in turn feeds the Boyer. De-energizing the relay with the kill button opens the circuit to the Boyer.
These relays will trigger with as little as 150 milliamps.
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Postby dave M » Fri May 05, 2006 10:26 am

I have just rooted through my bits and pieces in the workshop and the Bosch relay that I used as described is part number 0 332 204 150
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Postby mike mcmanus » Fri May 05, 2006 2:15 pm

Thanks everyone for their very helpful input, your depth of knowledge is astounding. As Ron & Norbsa suspected earlier it does appear to be a shagged battery(only a month old) it is discharging acid through one of the filler caps and wont hold a charge, i was perhaps thinking of a dry cell battery. I pulled the kill switch apart and managed to get it back together, it appears fine as does the circuitry, any thoughts on a dry cell battery :?:
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Postby james » Tue May 09, 2006 3:50 pm

Not only does low voltage throw off the Boyer but excess voltage will also,good luck. Ride safely, James
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Postby mike mcmanus » Tue May 09, 2006 4:25 pm

Thanks James,
Did a voltage check on the battery, charging at 12.8 volts, a little high, a load test at 104 cca, recommended 90, also the battery level is just a little over full, hence the spillage, but it is over charged a bit but i wouldn't have thought it would be enough to make any difference.
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Postby mike mcmanus » Tue May 16, 2006 3:19 pm

Well i checked the timing on the weekend 28 deg. before t.d.c. which you all know is about right for points not electronic, so i got a mate to sit on the bike in neutral with the clutch in and took it to 5000 rpm to reset the timing, it got to 4000 and she popped and coughed from there on till we set it at 31 deg. b.t.d.c. and she ran as sweet as a nut once we were on the money, also resoldered the wires at the plate as they looked a bit dicky, she now seems to run a lot smoother and starts a lot easier.
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