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Re: She pops but will not start...

Postby SierrasCafe530 » Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:27 pm

pvisseriii wrote:Nudge the pick up a little in one direction and see if it goes or improves. If not, go the otherway. Not to much at a time, you don't want to over advance it or your pipes will blue up before your get the timing light in place.

Ok, I'll go there.
Are the plugs wet? If not, with the air cleaner off (of course) lift the slides and squirt a little fuel down the manifolds.

And, If it isn't starting after a half a dozen kick, stop and access. Don't needlessly stress the gearbox as some may incourage. :mrgreen:


The plugs are wet and a black. The spark seems to be a little weaker today. Could it be that my coils are crap?
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Re: She pops but will not start...

Postby 1up3down » Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:45 pm

Ok, this may by an insultingly dumb question to be forgiven if already considered but:

You say the plugs are wet and black and she pops but will not start

Have you now thrown those plugs away and installed new fresh plugs?

No bike will start with fouled plugs.
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Re: She pops but will not start...

Postby bwolfie » Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:49 pm

I agree, vhange the plugs, they are cheap.

Also how good is the battery, it may read over 12 volts, but as soon as any load is pulled it could go south quickly.

I would hook up a volt meter and monitor the battery while you try to start the bike. Boyers are voltge sensitive.

I have an AGM battery that is less than a year old, shows 13 volts, but goes down to 6 volts as soon as any power is drawn.
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Re: She pops but will not start...

Postby 303 fmj » Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:24 pm

Nothing mentioned as to which ignition coils are installed---their connections---and---their condition--crushed sides, rust in the towers--and which spark plug wires
are being used. Was original system points/condensor? Were ignition coils original Lucas or ?
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Re: She pops but will not start...

Postby rpatton » Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:28 pm

I had the same thing happen when I put an analog Boyer on my bike. Somebody on the NOC list said it could be interference from the HT leads. I moved the Boyer to a chair next to the bike and it started right up. I've since then have always used a shielded pair of leads from the pickups to the box.
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Re: She pops but will not start...

Postby hobot » Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:35 pm

Ugh over looked electric interference/RF stuff, what did you source for shielded trigger leads, barely enough room for plain Jane insalliton wires. Once analog Boyers dialed in, placed in safe place and leads upgraded they are good to go for decades, if requiring a tad more throttle twist delay to get spunky.
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Re: She pops but will not start...

Postby DogT » Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:38 pm

I'm not kidding, check the voltage at the boyer, not the battery. If it's got an assimilator check the voltage at the battery end of it. Bypass the ignition switch for now. But do all these other suggestions too.

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Re: She pops but will not start...

Postby pvisseriii » Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:50 pm

In my honest opinion, if your are going to take advantage of a EI, then you should go all the way. 5 ohm duel output Dyna coil, get rid of waste like warning light assimilator, starting capacitor 2mc. Get a 200 watt stator and matching Podtronics Reg/Rec and loose the zener and the rectifier.

You have eliminated the the ballast resistor and the condenser haven't you?

It's only my opinion and I believe well worth concidering.

All in all you will lose 7 things and gain 4, generally and unitarily speaking.
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Re: She pops but will not start...

Postby KEV-C » Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:27 pm

Hi There
Did you clean out the pilot jet with drill or wire? can not remember drill/wire size pos no 78 drill.
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Re: She pops but will not start...

Postby cash » Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:46 pm

SierrasCafe530 » Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:24 am

marinecommando wrote:Are you using the correct mark on the rotor? There are 2marks on there. Check TDC and note which mark corresponds, then mark it.




There are two marks with red paint on them. I was guessing it was the big marker. My husband just tried it with the other marker. Still no life... We are out of ideas.

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Please check the mark is on top dead the rotor might have slipped, key missing or something. It really does sound like it's firing on the bottom of the stroke. Other than that how old are the plugs?

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Re: She pops but will not start...

Postby SierrasCafe530 » Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:02 pm

1up3down wrote:Ok, this may by an insultingly dumb question to be forgiven if already considered but:

You say the plugs are wet and black and she pops but will not start

Have you now thrown those plugs away and installed new fresh plugs?

No bike will start with fouled plugs.


Ya... They where new.
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Re: She pops but will not start...

Postby SierrasCafe530 » Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:06 pm

Ok all... It was the timing. Called a friend who has been working on Norton's for many years. I was not doing the timing right. He walked me through it and she fired up on the third kick. YES!!!! I'm stoked. Thank you all for the help. I think I will post a how to on youtube to show how to time it. If you have never done it before, reading it just doesn't make any since. MANY, MANY THANKS...
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Re: She pops but will not start...

Postby OldBalz » Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:19 pm

SierrasCafe530 wrote: I think I will post a how to on youtube to show how to time it. If you have never done it before, reading it just doesn't make any since. MANY, MANY THANKS...




I think that would be a great idea....A lot of folks, including myself, could benefit from that....
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Re: She pops but will not start...

Postby SierrasCafe530 » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:08 pm

She's alive. It's been 30 years since she an.

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Here is a video of her starting... If you click on it, it will go to Photobucket to play.
I still need to set the timing with a light and get the carbs adjusted. I'm just happy to hear her running. Maybe when the timing is adjusted, I wont have to have my hubby start it for me. LOL
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Re: She pops but will not start...

Postby bwolfie » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:16 pm

Will you keep the Dunstall tank and seat. The fiberglass tank might give problems with ethanol fuel.
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