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Postby andre1 » Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:20 pm

I'm too old to have Facebook.., but for those that do have it, take a look see how the SBR Commando racebike is doing on it's UK expedition. I imagine they will achieve some rather good results. Doing good work guys.

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Re: SBR Norton

Postby concours » Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:17 am

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Re: SBR Norton

Postby Dommie Nator » Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:47 am

I have seen their success on Faceache. Do you know if they are going to the Isle of Man?
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Re: SBR Norton

Postby SteveA » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:21 am

Dommie Nator wrote:I have seen their success on Faceache. Do you know if they are going to the Isle of Man?


You would have to guess so. I guess they are shaking down before the IoM, or the economics of the travel and shipping for a couple of club meetings are a bit suspect.

The lap times of bike and rider at Cadwell are very impressive, it is not an easy track to learn so quickly.

But BHR is not as competitive as CRMC, so expect that they will have to work a little harder for overall wins at Croft, but with that pace you wouldn't bet against them.
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Re: SBR Norton

Postby Brooking 850 » Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:31 pm

These guys are fast , I have raced against them in NZ and know them well, Flick is doing an outstanding job riding this very fast bike.
Here is the facebook link, you dont have to be a face book member to read their posts and progress, some good video on there as well.
Airborne at Cardwell.
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Re: SBR Norton

Postby Dommie Nator » Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:04 am

SteveA wrote:
Dommie Nator wrote:I have seen their success on Faceache. Do you know if they are going to the Isle of Man?


You would have to guess so. I guess they are shaking down before the IoM, or the economics of the travel and shipping for a couple of club meetings are a bit suspect.


Croft, Anglesey, Donington then home August 9th. No Island visit.
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Re: SBR Norton

Postby Snotzo » Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:25 am

BHR permits methanol to be used as a fuel if required, and machines thus fuelled are identified by a round orange sticker on the fairing.
I therefore assume the SBR Commando stays with this fuel, thus minimising the problems to some extent.

A pity the team won't stay on for the Classic TT, but I'll look them up at Donnington.
As this will be a CMRC meeting the use of methanol as a fuel is prohibited, so obviously some changes will have to be made.
I trust whatever is necessary will not detract too much from the overall performance.

I hope they will have enjoyed their visit, and that it may be possible for them to come again

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Re: SBR Norton

Postby SteveA » Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:20 am

Snotzo wrote:BHR permits methanol to be used as a fuel if required, and machines thus fuelled are identified by a round orange sticker on the fairing.
I therefore assume the SBR Commando stays with this fuel, thus minimising the problems to some extent.

A pity the team won't stay on for the Classic TT, but I'll look them up at Donnington.
As this will be a CMRC meeting the use of methanol as a fuel is prohibited, so obviously some changes will have to be made.
I trust whatever is necessary will not detract too much from the overall performance.

I hope they will have enjoyed their visit, and that it may be possible for them to come again


Still turning in good lap times at Croft, but as expected the competition is a lot nearer, no 30 seconds lead. They won the opening F750 race, which is really nice to see a Norton do, and were 3rd in the opening 1300 race, but behind the TZ750 of Lee Hodge and Alex Sincalir on an 1100 Ducati! no surprise (to me anyway!) and certainly no disgrace. Lapping at very similar pace in both races, the guy is very quick out of the box!

There is an Orange sticker on the fairing, and white fuel drums in the paddock shots suggests methanol, for which they would need a dispensation at CRMC, unless of course the stickers are just left over from Cadwell where BHR would have allowed it.

Changing spec from 16:1 to say 12:1 in a week would need an engine strip!
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Re: SBR Norton

Postby ntst8 » Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:54 am

SteveA wrote: Changing spec from 16:1 to say 12:1 in a week would need an engine strip!


The "S" in "SBR" is a very skilled machinist and engine builder, that wouldn't be a problem.
I'm sure they will have done their homework, and i believe they have at least one spare engine with them.
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Re: SBR Norton

Postby SteveA » Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:49 am

ntst8 wrote:
SteveA wrote: Changing spec from 16:1 to say 12:1 in a week would need an engine strip!


The "S" in "SBR" is a very skilled machinist and engine builder, that wouldn't be a problem.
I'm sure they will have done their homework, and i believe they have at least one spare engine with them.


Understood, but they themselves have said today they are running on methanol.

It is not them I would question regarding homework, but the club, I have not seen anyone running at CRMC with methanol before, specifically stated in the rules as a no no. But I can understand that if you get an entry from the other side of the world you will try to accomodate it.
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Re: SBR Norton

Postby jseng1 » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:13 am

SteveA wrote:
ntst8 wrote:
SteveA wrote: Changing spec from 16:1 to say 12:1 in a week would need an engine strip!


The "S" in "SBR" is a very skilled machinist and engine builder, that wouldn't be a problem.
I'm sure they will have done their homework, and i believe they have at least one spare engine with them.


Understood, but they themselves have said today they are running on methanol.

It is not them I would question regarding homework, but the club, I have not seen anyone running at CRMC with methanol before, specifically stated in the rules as a no no. But I can understand that if you get an entry from the other side of the world you will try to accomodate it.


We will see how "accommodating" they will be. Once at a National BOTT race at Laguna Seca. I thought it would be fun to go play with the AHMRA classic guys in practice with my monoshock Nort. I pulled in front and diced with a Rob North Triple that was very fast on the straights, backed off and let him pass me. On the cool off lap I noticed a couple riders pointing at me. After practice a couple riders showed up in my pit. They were all upset and threatened to protest me because I had slicks. I told them I wasn't even in their class and that they didn't have anything to worry about - that I just wanted to practice with some other brit bikes. But they were way too serious - all huffy, worked up and having no fun at all.
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Re: SBR Norton

Postby Dommie Nator » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:51 am

Looks to have been a successful day at Croft. I reckon I'll go to Donington and catch them there (not literally of course).
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Re: SBR Norton

Postby SteveA » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:10 am

jseng1 wrote:....................On the cool off lap I noticed a couple riders pointing at me. After practice a couple riders showed up in my pit. They were all upset and threatened to protest me because I had slicks......


There are riders and there are clubs Jim.

Gary Twaites hasn't had such a good weekend of it as he might so I guess he will be philosphical about being beaten, but I don't suppose he and Dave Watson are best pleased being beaten by a combination not 100% compliant with published rules. That in major part was Dave's problem with CRMC in the first place that kept them away for a few years.

But I don't see anyone protesting the SBR, particularly since George Hogton Rusling still managed to win the races.

From what I can see people are I think be genuinely interested to see the SBR bike, (I would have liked to have seen it myself).

And generally, we Brits rather like the Kiwis, innovative, great shed engineers, good spirit, they have clearly had a very good reception and rightly so.

However I am betting that at some point between now and the CRMC AGM, in a darkened committee meeting room somewhere, someone says, 'well that went rather well, maybe we should legalise Methanol and get a whole lot more summer visitors from the Antipodes!'

Hopefully that would be immediately slapped down by a reminder that in turn they would also lose a number of riders from Europe. Now a match race series on the other hand, with a dedicated set of rules, well some would go for it.
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Re: SBR Norton

Postby SteveA » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:12 am

Dommie Nator wrote:Looks to have been a successful day at Croft. I reckon I'll go to Donington and catch them there (not literally of course).


I had to cancel my Donington entry after Cadwell :(

Hope to be out in Belgium later in August, and hopefully will see some people there who did go to Croft and Donington.
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Re: SBR Norton

Postby lcrken » Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:20 am

When I first started racing with AHRMA here in the US (somewhere in the late '80s) we had a bunch of guys from down under come over to Daytona one year on some really fast Hondas (350/450 twins), and they were running on methanol. At that time AHRMA didn't specifically require gasoline in the rulebook, so they were able to legally enter and run. It was great fun, but AHRMA did change the rules after that to allow only gasoline powered bikes.

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