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Rust Proof Spindle?

Postby swooshdave » Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:42 am

So from the other thread we've looked at how to secure the spindle. There are numerous stories of beating the spindles out. Since we don't want the spindle to move but also not rust how do you protect the spindle (aside from using a SS spindle)?

Coat it with something like this:

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Just a rust preventive paint?
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Re: Rust Proof Spindle?

Postby Hortons Norton » Sun Feb 28, 2010 10:00 am

I would just be sure to keep it well oiled and be sure you have nice new seals fitted, Also don't pressure wash the bike as I have seen some people do. And maybe don't ride through big puddles, LOL LOL. :mrgreen:
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Re: Rust Proof Spindle?

Postby rvich » Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:10 am

I have been thinking about using something like this:

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1145 ... GUN_FINISH

I have also been planning to stop by the local gun shop and talk to them about what kind of finishes they are providing these days and what kind of cost are involved.
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Re: Rust Proof Spindle?

Postby swooshdave » Sun Feb 28, 2010 2:31 pm

Hortons Norton wrote:I would just be sure to keep it well oiled and be sure you have nice new seals fitted, Also don't pressure wash the bike as I have seen some people do. And maybe don't ride through big puddles, LOL LOL. :mrgreen:


So, ironically in theory spindle should be dry except where the swingarm bushing are. If you trust the Oilite you may not need to add more oil.
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Re: Rust Proof Spindle?

Postby highdesert » Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:51 pm

And I trust that the Norton factory people also knew the oil lite bushings would soon enough go dry,
and so they said to add a heavy oil somewhat regularly, just in case of course!
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Re: Rust Proof Spindle?

Postby swooshdave » Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:27 pm

highdesert wrote:And I trust that the Norton factory people also knew the oil lite bushings would soon enough go dry,
and so they said to add a heavy oil somewhat regularly, just in case of course!


How do you explain the MkIII configuration of the swingarm lubrication then?
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Re: Rust Proof Spindle?

Postby BrianK » Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:36 pm

Huh? The thing lives in a tube full of gear lube and we're worrying about rust?
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Re: Rust Proof Spindle?

Postby swooshdave » Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:45 pm

BrianK wrote:Huh? The thing lives in a tube full of gear lube and we're worrying about rust?


My point is that the spindle should not move so why should it be covered in a lubricant? Seems counter-intuitive...
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Re: Rust Proof Spindle?

Postby CanukNortonNut » Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:00 pm

Only worry about rust when the gear oil all runs out... swooshD try using "Quad Ring O-rings" instead of the regular O-rings and make sure that you test fit your swingarm with feeler gauges between the fit up of sintered bronze bushes and the rear engine mount. do this without the O-rings in and try for about 0.005" gap. Put shims between Dust cover outboard side until you get that Gap.
this gives your O-rings a little more sealing tension against the assembly when it is fitted up and driving down the open road. :wink:
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Re: Rust Proof Spindle?

Postby BrianK » Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:01 pm

Isn't the point to keep down the friction with the bushings, which do move? Sheesh, I obsessed about getting the fit right when I replaced the bushings. But that's another thread in a galaxy far, far away....!
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Re: Rust Proof Spindle?

Postby DogT » Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:09 pm

The cradle is steel, so it will rust without lube. The spindle can be replaced with SS. I made the SS move because my spindle and cradle had rusted and had also oblonged the cradle hole, so I had to have the cradle reamed, a new oversize spindle (SS) and reamed bushings and extra bolts in the cradle and spindle so it will not move. I plan on keeping everything lubed so rust will not form in the cradle again. But then I have the old style, not the new "never lube" ones. Just my 2 cents.

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Re: Rust Proof Spindle?

Postby swooshdave » Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:38 pm

CanukNortonNut wrote:Only worry about rust when the gear oil all runs out... swooshD try using "Quad Ring O-rings" instead of the regular O-rings and make sure that you test fit your swingarm with feeler gauges between the fit up of sintered bronze bushes and the rear engine mount. do this without the O-rings in and try for about 0.005" gap. Put shims between Dust cover outboard side until you get that Gap.
this gives your O-rings a little more sealing tension against the assembly when it is fitted up and driving down the open road. :wink:
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I don't see shims listed in the Parts Book. Are they specific to the swingarm or just generic?
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Re: Rust Proof Spindle?

Postby BrianK » Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:44 pm

No shims on mine....
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Re: Rust Proof Spindle?

Postby CanukNortonNut » Sun Feb 28, 2010 10:31 pm

Dave
The shim spacer I get from McMaster Carr
its not a Norton Part so its a Mod.
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Re: Rust Proof Spindle?

Postby rvich » Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:11 am

I pulled my spindle over the weekend. Yeah, it was an adventure in moving. Amazingly there was very little corrosion despite the fact that there was nothing in there and the O-rings were so hard they felt like bakelite.

It is probably over-kill but I am wondering about plating it with something to make the process a little smoother...if you know what I mean.

Maybe something like this:

http://www.caswellplating.com/kits/bnen.html

The question I have about this is I have to wonder if adding a couple thousandths of an inch is going to require machining the bushings and tube. Anybody have any idea what the tolerance is on this fit now? Thoughts on it? I am not a big fan of using stainless steel to swap everything out, but the idea of plating some of this stuff (like iso bolts) appeals to me.

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