Rocker oil feed line questions??

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Rocker oil feed line questions??

Postby Diamondjet » Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:08 am

I've managed to become quite confused with the oil feed line from the crankcase to the head and rockers.

My parts box has a oil feed line with 4 banjos but I've also come up with a broken line that has only one banjo and a smaller one at that! Is this from another bike or does this go someplace on the 1973 850 Roadster that I've forgotten about?....wouldn't be the first time. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Rocker oil feed line questions??

Postby littlefield » Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:20 am

The stock setup has the long feed line going to one of the supply ports in the head. The supply ports are the holes between the spindles. This is connected with a double banjo which also secures the short line going to the supply on other side of the head.
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Re: Rocker oil feed line questions??

Postby Ron L » Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:27 am

You only need one external oil line. That line would normally have only three banjo's.

However, many stainless lines have two sections. One, with a banjo at each end, to go from the timing cover to the right side of the head. The second, with a banjo at each end, to go from the right side of the head to the left side of the head. A double length bolt is used at rhe right side.

Also, some of the oil pressure gauge kits, such as the one from Old Britts use a banjo fitting to direct the pressure feed through the steering stem, so would require a third length of line and a fourth banjo fitting.
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Re: Rocker oil feed line questions??

Postby L.A.B. » Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:37 am

Diamondjet wrote:My parts box has a oil feed line with 4 banjos


Is it a two piece stainless braided line, as there wouldn't be any reason to have a one piece oil feed line with four banjo fittings,-unless one was for an oil pressure gauge connection, possibly?



The original banjos are smaller than the ones normally used for stainless braided fittings, so the stainless type may require shouldered banjo bolts.
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Re: Rocker oil feed line questions??

Postby Diamondjet » Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:25 am

You're right...only three banjos. The 4th is completely different piece and smaller. Must be off of a different kind of bike.
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Re: Rocker oil feed line questions??

Postby ludwig » Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:52 am

If you drill trough the inlet rocker shafts , you'll only need one line and 2 banjos .
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Re: Rocker oil feed line questions??

Postby Diamondjet » Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:22 pm

I'll have to look at the rocker set-up again.....I'm not sure how a hole drilled into the shaft will feed both left and right rocker cavities.
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Re: Rocker oil feed line questions??

Postby grandpaul » Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:54 pm

ludwig wrote:If you drill trough the inlet rocker shafts , you'll only need one line and 2 banjos .


So the total oiling through one fitting to all 4 shafts indirectly, is as good as through two fittings to two pairs of shafts?
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Re: Rocker oil feed line questions??

Postby ludwig » Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:23 pm

grandpaul wrote:So the total oiling through one fitting to all 4 shafts indirectly, is as good as through two fittings to two pairs of shafts?

Yes .
It's basic hydraulics :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_law
Just think of the brakes in your car : one pedal , equal pressure at all brakes .
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Re: Rocker oil feed line questions??

Postby swooshdave » Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:27 pm

ludwig wrote:If you drill trough the inlet rocker shafts , you'll only need one line and 2 banjos .


Can you buy drilled rocker shafts?
You probably want to go into town, and find a up to date Jap Bike store,
With a full spares department, a clean workshop, and kean young mechanics.
And ask them if theres a Grumpy Old Bloke out in the Hills, who knows how to fix Real Motorcycles.

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Re: Rocker oil feed line questions??

Postby Jeandr » Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:36 pm

Best to have it done by a competent machinist, since I'm not, I had mine drilled which was probably cheaper than buying a cobalt or other super fancy drill bit.

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Re: Rocker oil feed line questions??

Postby ludwig » Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:38 pm

swooshdave wrote:Can you buy drilled rocker shafts?

I don't know , but I think not .
If you do this , drill from the inside out , using a 4 mm carbide tipped drill .
To close the oil feed hole ( cycle thread , I think ) , a bolt like the ones that hold the stop plate in the gearbox cover is perfect .
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Re: Rocker oil feed line questions??

Postby ludwig » Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:46 pm

Jeandr wrote:Best to have it done by a competent machinist, since I'm not...

I think you are a pretty competent mchinist ? , but you're right , i'ts not a job for a hand held drill .
It is best done on a lathe .
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Re: Rocker oil feed line questions??

Postby L.A.B. » Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:49 pm

ludwig wrote:( cycle thread , I think )


5/16 - 22 tpi I think, so = 5/16 BSF.
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Re: Rocker oil feed line questions??

Postby ludwig » Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:54 pm

L.A.B. wrote:
ludwig wrote:( cycle thread , I think )


5/16 - 22 tpi I think, so = 5/16 BSF.

I am shure you are right .
(didn't bother to check ..)
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