The Unapproachable Norton Commando

Dana

Hi all,
I just finished making and installing Dynodave's very slick starter circuit upgrade wire set, and I went to connect the last wire from the solenoid to the starter. I couldn't locate the terminal that my book shows as being on top of the starter ... very odd.

I removed the starter and LO Sad

the starter is mounted upside down, with a hole where the terminal should be Confused

After opening it up, more surprises Mad

the entire armature is gone, and a piece of foil is hose clamped to the inside of the comutator cover Evil or Very Mad

So does anybody have some spare parts? ... or know some options other than buying a complete new starter?

I guess I could go without (as the last owner did), but I don't want to!

illf8ed · Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Posts: 474

Dana,

Look for one at the Clubman's on Saturday. If you don't see one talk to Ken Armann.

I have the 1/4 british pipe thread tap in my bag, see you there.

dynodave · Joined: 28 May 2003 Posts: 139 Location: USA

Ron L · Joined: 27 Feb 2004 Posts: 1148 Location: Ohio

Have you checked inside your primary cover? Do you have all the gears and the infamous sprag clutch to run the starter? The starter motor is only a small part of the mess that Norton made to install an electric leg. Most people who would go to the trouble to remove the guts from the starter would have stripped the extra gears from the primary as well.

Ron L.

Scooter62 · Joined: 05 Dec 2003 Posts: 166 Location: South Florida

There's a real opportunity here for someone with the ability to take a more common and possibly more technologically improved starter and adapt it to the Norton. I've heard that there are some HD Sportster starters that are similar as well as some snowmobile starters that can work. I suppose a good machinist could put something together with an adapter or modified pinion gear. The first one would be difficult but after that it should be easy and I'm sure there is a market for this out there. A lot of us old guys are getting too arthritic to kick these things over. Sad

BTW what does the new Norton America use for a starter?

dynodave · Joined: 28 May 2003 Posts: 139 Location: USA

Ron L · Joined: 27 Feb 2004 Posts: 1148 Location: Ohio

My buddy and I have looked at the setup on Dreer's early 880's. It appears to be based on a late Harley Sportster. The cradle is modified for clearance and the inner primary is machined with a loop welded to cover the bendix. A ring gear is built into his clutch basket for the belt drive. We have toyed with the idea of fitting the Sportster ring to a Norton clutch basket. It looks like it can be made to work.

Ron L

Dana · Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 12:14 pm Post subject:

dynodave, you're a crackup Laughing

In the early 70's, I was cruising around Gloucester and the North Shore on one of my two Honda 750 dressers.

Did you ever go to the Moto Guzzi (?) shop to meet the "Retreads" and the "Cape Ann Random Riders" for their Wednesday night rides? The average age was deceased.
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Thanks guys for all the replies. I'm not sure what I'll do for my starter. Maybe I'll see if I can snag a good used one for before I start a re-engineering project sure to delay my riding. I'll also check my gears and clutch for wear.

MichaelB · Joined: 14 Jan 2004 Posts: 446 Location: Yorba Linda, CA

Dana,
I don't know if you are aware that a blanking plug is made that can be installed in place of the starter. This allows you to have a rideable bike while you service/source a starter.

Dana · Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:51 pm Post subject:

Thanks Mike. I had no idea.

MichaelB · Joined: 14 Jan 2004 Posts: 446 Location: Yorba Linda, CA

Dana,
Ron makes a good point about the primary. Have you been in it yet?
If the sprag and reduction gears aren't there, you'll spend hundred$ chasing all this down along with the starter. When you are all done, at best you'll have a moderate starter that is inconsistent.
I have new brushes, upgraded cables and higher amp battery. I run 20/50 oil and live in So Cal, and it is not to be trusted.
Now I have two more options, change out the battery tray, go to a Gold Wing / Harley size battery (very heavy) or go to a 4 brush conversion. All this requires more and more dollar$.
I share this with you because when I first got my Mark III, I immediately blanked off the starter to focus on other areas. It is only recently I have started dealing with the starter. I am also asking myself why, a properly tuned Commando should be maximum 3 kicks. If it isn't, fix it.

Dana · Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 8:01 am Post subject:

Thanks Mike,

You do make a good argument. I certainly don't want to be wasting my resources right now. Three kicks max is fine with me.

Besides, when I pull up to the HD mutual admirations groups around here, they'll all be wishing they could have a kicker just to look more macho Cool

illf8ed · Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Posts: 474

Dana,

Again you have a great opportunity to talk to Gar Jorgenson at the Clubman's tomorrow. His Mk3 roadster turns over with no problems. The secret is good wires and a closed cell gel battery from Frank Recoder. Frank is another club member that owns a battery supply company in the east bay. Both gentlemen will be at the show.

Dana · Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 6:49 pm Post subject:

Thanks David

Arrrgggghhhhh ... I just bought a battery this week.

Ivon · Guest

A Mercury marine outboard starter motor fits straight in and is 4 brush and operates very successfully. Check at your Mercury dealer or Marine out board motor wrecker. Beware of voltage drop problems using Boyer ignition with Mk 3 electric start. I reverted to the original points ignition.

The Unapproachable Norton Commando

At the end of 1967 the Norton Commando was announced.