Bringing My '79 Bonneville Special Back to Life

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Re: Bringing My '79 Bonneville Special Back to Life

Postby L.A.B. » Sat May 30, 2009 2:14 pm

Tulsaalva wrote:
"Very tight" is a good description. I've "boogered up" the head so much now that I'm sure it's in there to stay. Even if I did get it out, it's doubtful, I imagine, that I'd be able to find a replacement.


The bolt (screw plug) ball and spring should be available as a spare (was part 70-2360, 71-7314 now I think?)

If I'd have found the plug to be extremely tight, then I would probably have held it by the squared flats in a vice/vise, and then tried to unscrew the pump away from the plug with an adjustable spanner/wrench tightened across the pump body?



Tulsaalva wrote:Seventeen might have started the bike on a pretty winter day when there wasn't enough oil in the primary. Not true?


If the primary did dry out because of leakage over a lay up period then the primary chain would have been a bit dry for a short while after starting up maybe, I'm not exactly sure how much harm would have been done?
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Re: Bringing My '79 Bonneville Special Back to Life

Postby Tulsaalva » Sat May 30, 2009 3:04 pm

L.A.B. wrote:
Tulsaalva wrote:
"Very tight" is a good description. I've "boogered up" the head so much now that I'm sure it's in there to stay. Even if I did get it out, it's doubtful, I imagine, that I'd be able to find a replacement.


The bolt (screw plug) ball and spring should be available as a spare (was part 70-2360, 71-7314 now I think?)


Great! I'll ask LaNelle if she can find it! Maybe I can save a bunch of money and still have a good pump!

If I'd have found the plug to be extremely tight, then I would probably have held it by the squared flats in a vice/vise, and then tried to unscrew the pump away from the plug with an adjustable spanner/wrench tightened across the pump body?


Yep! I tried that. More of the bolt broke off. I even thought it might be a reverse thread for some reason (although I would think the manual would have mentioned it...) but it was too late to try that. Probably a good thing. If I can find the part, perhaps I'll try a "Difficult Out," more commonly known as an "Easy Out." :)

Tulsaalva wrote:Seventeen might have started the bike on a pretty winter day when there wasn't enough oil in the primary. Not true?


If the primary did dry out because of leakage over a lay up period then the primary chain would have been a bit dry for a short while after starting up maybe, I'm not exactly sure how much harm would have been done?


Okay. Then I think the culprit was the scavenge side of the pump. I'm hoping the pistons only need new rings. I'll let y'all know.

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Re: Bringing My '79 Bonneville Special Back to Life

Postby Cookie » Sat May 30, 2009 3:08 pm

A lot of times a weak area can be repaired way better than new by a good welder. The new oil pump will be a good investment I'm sure.
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Re: Bringing My '79 Bonneville Special Back to Life

Postby chris plant » Sat May 30, 2009 3:56 pm

hi tulsa,the oil pump maybe the culprit if it was,nt scavenging the sump, excess oil in there would give the impression that the rings or pistons or a worn bore was causing the oil burning you described earlier i would fix the pump first
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Re: Bringing My '79 Bonneville Special Back to Life

Postby Tulsaalva » Sat May 30, 2009 4:06 pm

Cookie wrote:A lot of times a weak area can be repaired way better than new by a good welder. The new oil pump will be a good investment I'm sure.


I understand that the weld is stronger than the original metal, Cookie, and the guy I plan to use comes highly recommended. A lot of the guys who hang out at LaNelle's have used him and rave about his work.

I have a Tig welder myself and use it from time to time but this calls for someone much better than I am.

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Re: Bringing My '79 Bonneville Special Back to Life

Postby Tulsaalva » Sat May 30, 2009 4:09 pm

chris plant wrote:hi tulsa,the oil pump maybe the culprit if it was,nt scavenging the sump, excess oil in there would give the impression that the rings or pistons or a worn bore was causing the oil burning you described earlier i would fix the pump first


Thanks for the explanation, Chris. I am going to update the pump, but I also have to address the uneven and low compression. I'll definitely fix it right. A thirty year old bike deserves nothing less, in my opinion.

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Re: Bringing My '79 Bonneville Special Back to Life

Postby Tulsaalva » Sat May 30, 2009 4:15 pm

Apparently one of my posts faded away into Cyberspace.

I've removed the errant bolt with a vise, an Easy Out, and a 2.5 foot extension. I don't like either seat. The large side is off-center and elliptical. The small side doesn't look much better, but seemed to seal when I tested it. Nevertheless, I'm going to buy the new pump.

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Re: Bringing My '79 Bonneville Special Back to Life

Postby Tulsaalva » Sat May 30, 2009 4:19 pm

swooshdave wrote:
Tulsaalva wrote:It looks like the "School of Hard Knocks" tuition has been increased by several hundred dollars.


Education is never cheap or easy.


I've heard it said, Swooshdave, that the problem with learning from experience is that one gets the test first and the lesson afterwards. :)

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Re: Bringing My '79 Bonneville Special Back to Life

Postby chris plant » Sat May 30, 2009 4:26 pm

[quote="Tulsaalva"]Apparently one of my posts faded away into Cyberspace.
sorry tulsa, my mistake i was obviously thinking of something else
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Re: Bringing My '79 Bonneville Special Back to Life

Postby Tulsaalva » Sun May 31, 2009 8:47 pm

chris plant wrote:
Tulsaalva wrote:Apparently one of my posts faded away into Cyberspace.
sorry tulsa, my mistake i was obviously thinking of something else


I don't understand your unnecessary apology, Chris. I wrote a rather long post that had nothing to do with you but it didn't appear in the thread. My guess is I forgot to click "'Submit." :) I've done that sort of thing before.

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