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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby contours » Sat Oct 01, 2016 4:39 am

TonyA wrote:The M14 x 1.5 pitch drain plug is common even automobiles . This may be one of the easier things to find for your bike.


Ah, so you know the size already? That's great. I will confirm that dimension when I pull mine.
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby contours » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:33 pm

I don't know if this will help anyone, but I figured out how to drain the oil without coating the X-pipe. I bought a set of square, sturdy, shallow paper plates at the grocery store. I cut a drain slot and shoved it above the X-pipe and underneath the drain plug before unscrewing the drain plug. It was very tedious turning the drain plug in small increments with the plate below my wench, but it saved my X-pipe from getting coated with oil while hot. "No muss, no fuss"? ... pretty close.

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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby richard-7 » Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:40 am

Good idea. I'll use that next time. Thanks.
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby cehenard » Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:05 am

Thanks. Good tip. Over the years I've found most people that know how to do a job usually have to make some of their own tools to do a job quicker, cleaner or more efficiently. I know I have had to often. Sharing tips like these and of course Richards manuals eliminates a lot of grief for all of us. So far the handiest tip I have to pass along for service work on my 961 is using my "Pit Bull" front stand with a standard pin to go into the bottom of the neck stem to raise and work on the front end of the bike. You can buy different pins to fit different bikes and the pin that fits the Norton was one I already had for one of my Ducati's. Other little tips include starting hard to reach spark plugs by sticking them into a 4" piece of stiff rubber hose and threading them into the head easily without damaging threads or plugs. Save old license plates to bend as needed for protective shields while you're working on something close to what you want to protect, draining fluids, grinding, spray lubing drive chain, etc.. Of course then you run the chance of being a "pack rat" like me. Geeze, don't throw anything away, you might need that one of these days. Any tool I make that does a specific job well will be kept and reused. I've found my garage and my toolbox have to have special places for tools for each specific bike. So many tools work for one purpose and nothing else.
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby contours » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:17 am

I'll do anything to avoid a mess. Funny thing happened this morning after I so neatly drained the oil. I removed the drain plug again to take with me for sizing up a replacement. As soon as it dropped a gush of oil came out with it. :shock: I had to scramble for my drain pan and some rags! So much for the clean X-pipe. Must have been the stuff still in the frame.

cehenard wrote:Of course then you run the chance of being a "pack rat" like me. Geeze, don't throw anything away, you might need that one of these days.


My wife is determined to cure me of this, unfortunately. :roll:

While I am back on this thread I need to pose a question. On Tony A's suggestion for an immediate solution I went to the local auto parts store and found a suitable substitute for the stripped drain plug. But I also found one with a magnetic tip that I'd really like to use except the shank length is about 8 mm longer than the original. Does someone know if this will interfere with anything? The shorter one and the original are about 12mm long below the head. The magnetic plug is about 20mm.

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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby contours » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:09 pm

I thought better of using a drain plug that was so much longer. Instead I ordered a Gold Plug MP-02T on Amazon.COM - a shank length of 14mm.

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In the meantime I will use the smaller, cheaper drain plug I got at Advance Auto. It fits nicely and using a 17mm open end wrench to tighten it was so much easier than trying to fit a 6mm Allen wrench at a 70° angle where the X-pipe splits!

I am not done, however. I still cannot get the transmission filler cap loose. Whoever did the first oil change at MCC has no concept of "hand tight". This is really annoying. :x
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby contours » Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:31 am

My 500+ mile oil change will finally get done today. Two over-tightened screws have cost me a lot of time and a little money. I can't explain what happened while they had my bike for 6 months, but in the future I will look to anyone other than MCC for any service I can't do myself.
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby jjcnov » Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:19 am

My real bitch is the Factory insists we allow the incompetent asses touch these one of a kind Motorcycles. Oh and they slap "Ducati" stickers on replacement parts and add $140 to the price. And insist we buy to keep them open.
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby BritTwit » Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:03 pm

contours wrote:I thought better of using a drain plug that was so much longer. Instead I ordered a Gold Plug MP-02T on Amazon.COM - a shank length of 14mm.

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In the meantime I will use the smaller, cheaper drain plug I got at Advance Auto. It fits nicely and using a 17mm open end wrench to tighten it was so much easier than trying to fit a 6mm Allen wrench at a 70° angle where the X-pipe splits!

I am not done, however. I still cannot get the transmission filler cap loose. Whoever did the first oil change at MCC has no concept of "hand tight". This is really annoying. :x


Contours,Are you sure your plug has a 17mm head?
Amazon spec lists a 13mm head to MP-02T plug.

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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby contours » Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:15 am

BritTwit wrote:
In the meantime I will use the smaller, cheaper drain plug I got at Advance Auto. It fits nicely and using a 17mm open end wrench to tighten it was so much easier than trying to fit a 6mm Allen wrench at a 70° angle where the X-pipe splits!


Contours,Are you sure your plug has a 17mm head?
Amazon spec lists a 13mm head to MP-02T plug.
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BritTwit, I'm pretty sure I was referring to the temporary plug I bought at Advance Auto. The GoldPlug had not arrived yet. :wink:
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby NortonFactoryUK » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:16 am

BritTwit wrote:Just about to do an oil change on my 961 CR.

First snag: Found that I can’t get an allen wrench up between the X-Pipe and the sump plug.
The SBN X-Pipe blocks the head of the plug from all angles.

Backup plan “B”:
Remove SBN silencers, and X-Pipe to access sump plug.

Next snag – I can’t get the X-Pipe free of the header pipes. Wiggle to the right, wiggle to the left, wiggle up wiggle down, over, and over, and nothing.
Tried whacking it with a rubber mallet, and extension, no movement.
Appears the techs at my dealer's shop applied liberal amounts of sealant on the exhaust joints. Now they are virtually welded tight.

Backup plan “C”:



Any suggestion from 961 owners who have encountered, and defeated this maintenance demon?


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