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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby worntorn » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:25 pm

Pipe wrench and be done with it. I agree, find a plug that isn't designed with such a tiny drive size.

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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby BritTwit » Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:11 pm

If MCC does have a replacement hex head sump plug, please let the forum members know.
I would love a replacement, and I'm sure others would as well.

My technique for doing oil changes in the future myself will be to:
First, remove entire exhaust including headers, O2 sensors.
Make certain that I have replacement copper exhaust gaskets in case existing ones are spent.
Drain oil directly into pan without splattering oil over the X-Pipe. What a mess this is otherwise.
Hopefully, I'll have a hex head sump plug by then.

Your spare bike should make your 961 downtime less painful.
My spare bikes have helped me when my 961 was parked at the dealer.
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby richard-7 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:05 pm

I'm sure that richard pearce bike had a hex head when we did the oil change. I remember commenting on it. I bet all the new 961's have it.
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby Voodooo » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:19 pm

richard-7 wrote:I'm sure that richard pearce bike had a hex head when we did the oil change. I remember commenting on it. I bet all the new 961's have it.


My bike is a 2016 it has a Allen plug
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby contours » Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:46 am

BritTwit wrote:If MCC does have a replacement hex head sump plug, please let the forum members know.
I would love a replacement, and I'm sure others would as well.


If one doesn't pop up soon I will do some research and find a substitute from another make and model. Even if it takes all winter! I sure don't want to deal with this again.

BritTwit wrote:My technique for doing oil changes in the future myself will be to:
First, remove entire exhaust including headers, O2 sensors.
Make certain that I have replacement copper exhaust gaskets in case existing ones are spent.
Drain oil directly into pan without splattering oil over the X-Pipe. What a mess this is otherwise.


Why go to the extreme of taking the headers off? With my exhaust removed from the x-pipe backward There seems to be plenty of room to get a drain pan underneath. In any case, it's damn annoying to have to go to this length just to change the oil. Being the lazy sort, I see myself holding back from riding just to minimize the number of oil changes each season.

BritTwit wrote:Your spare bike should make your 961 downtime less painful.
My spare bikes have helped me when my 961 was parked at the dealer.


I remember it well, BT. :roll:
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby BritTwit » Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:32 am

contours wrote:My technique for doing oil changes in the future myself will be to:
First, remove entire exhaust including headers, O2 sensors.
Make certain that I have replacement copper exhaust gaskets in case existing ones are spent.
Drain oil directly into pan without splattering oil over the X-Pipe. What a mess this is otherwise.


Why go to the extreme of taking the headers off? With my exhaust removed from the x-pipe backward There seems to be plenty of room to get a drain pan underneath. In any case, it's damn annoying to have to go to this length just to change the oil. Being the lazy sort, I see myself holding back from riding just to minimize the number of oil changes each season.



Just saying that I watched the mechanic at my shop pull the plug out on my 961 and saw the oil splatter all over the the SBN X-Pipe.
Very sloppy process, and in spite of the cleanup, some oil "cooked" on the the X-Pipe and effected the finish after my ride home.
Removing/refitting the headers on a twin is not a big deal if it will help me avoid bigger problems with the drain plug, and preserve the finish on my pipes, so much the better.
My dealer doesn't stock the copper exhaust gaskets for the 961, but asked him to order 2 for me for my next oil change.
In the mean time, once I get the gaskets, I will check their size, and see if suitable substitutes can be procured from a another local source, or from ebay.
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby contours » Sun Sep 25, 2016 2:38 pm

Gotcha. Yes, it can be messy in the best of circumstances.

I think my bike will be down for a while. I hope it buys me time to sort out the drain plug fiasco. I just pulled the ECU out tonight. I figure it will be 2 weeks before I get it back from MCC as long as they can still do a re-map. It's the stupid little things that make the ownership of this Norton not so enjoyable so far. :roll:
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby BritTwit » Sun Sep 25, 2016 3:59 pm

contours wrote: It's the stupid little things that make the ownership of this Norton not so enjoyable so far. :roll:


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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby contours » Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:18 am

After my ECU is re-mapped and installed again I will finally go after the stripped oil sump drain plug. My reason for waiting is that I want to have a warm engine before draining the oil and I could not do that easily with so much difficulty getting to a steady idle. :roll:

So with a little bit of research I hit on this website that might provide an alternative to the ridiculously small inverted Allen plug that came stock with my bike.

https://www.belmetric.com/metric-drain-plugs-c-11_90/?zenid=s9fbdgcoi46sisfavk5crnakt2

I will get the dimensions off the stock plug after I butcher the thing with a pipe wrench.
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby BritTwit » Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:15 am

Very good.

Looks like a great site, with many choices in size and thread pitch.
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby Britfan60 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:29 am

Yea. Great assortment of plugs. By the way, Ed..If Goald Coast changed your oil, make sure you check the level. More than once he overfilled by quite a bit (and inch over the top line...about 4 ounces) AND waaaaaay over tightened the dip stick. If he did, use a piece of leather under the pliers, not towel or paper towel. It mars very easily. I'm pretty sure your going to have to extract some like I did. Tubing and a squeeze bulb from the top worked well. Oil extraction kit for 4 stroke outboard motors. siiiiiiiiiigh :roll:
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby BritTwit » Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:48 am

Curtis,

I did check the oil level when I got home.
It's become a ritual for me with the 961.
It was perfect.

I also noticed a new mechanic at the shop who was very thorough, who I spoke with for a while and who sounded like he actually knew quite a bit about the 961.
Good news for sure.

I hope he sticks around because I intend to have the "oil in airbox" fix done in the winter.
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby Britfan60 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:14 am

The new guy worked on my bike. Actually, quite a good mechanic and willing to spend time with the customer and genuinely loves the bike. Above and beyond regular service......just that damned oil level and wrenching things. Maybe because of all the leaks I had, he wasn't taking any chances with me. Also, if the test ride your bike, make sure he's not wearing boots with buckles all the way up the side. I pointed out the scratches on my primary cover. Steve said its because of my boots. Then he looked down at my sneakers and said......"oh". grrrrrrrrrr
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby TonyA » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:56 am

richard-7 wrote:I'm sure that richard pearce bike had a hex head when we did the oil change. I remember commenting on it. I bet all the new 961's have it.

Hello , If that's the case look no further than Auto Zone . I have just had a good look at their selection of M14 x 1.5 pitch drain plugs . There are many to choose from including with a magnet attached and some with built in O-ring . The M14 x 1.5 pitch drain plug is common even automobiles . This may be one of the easier things to find for your bike.
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby contours » Sat Oct 01, 2016 4:39 am

TonyA wrote:The M14 x 1.5 pitch drain plug is common even automobiles . This may be one of the easier things to find for your bike.


Ah, so you know the size already? That's great. I will confirm that dimension when I pull mine.
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