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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby BLIGHTYBRIT/SF » Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:09 am

Hi Peter,when Dave cootes did my oil change it was tight,but he shortened the end of the Allen key,hacksawed the end off,& made it come undone that way.
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby contours » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:33 am

BLIGHTYBRIT/SF wrote:Hi Peter,when Dave cootes did my oil change it was tight,but he shortened the end of the Allen key,hacksawed the end off,& made it come undone that way.


I did that myself once I realized I couldn't fit the hex key in straight up. But the fit still wasn't snug enough so I removed the exhaust pipes to get a better look and try it with a sturdier wrench. It still won't budge. The next thing I'm going to do is buy a small torch (yes, Richard, your wish has come true!) to heat up the area. I might also try a 1/4 inch hex key which is slightly larger than 6mm. The last thing I need is a stripped out socket! :x
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby TonyA » Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:09 am

That's what I would do . The bolts are easy to get to and the gasket is thick and can be reused many times . I've had mine off for oil in air box fix. There are torque specs for the bolts. Don't over tighten !

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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby TonyA » Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:21 pm

I would place an order for a new drain plug as well.

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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby contours » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:58 pm

TonyA wrote:I would place an order for a new drain plug as well.


I would really like to find a more normal plug that takes a socket or open end wrench. If I ever get the thing off I'll take measurements and try to track something down. Using a hex key wrench is just plain silly!
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby contours » Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:03 pm

Oh, and thanks for mailing that MCN issue, Richard P. Lots of good things to read in there. :)
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby BLIGHTYBRIT/SF » Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:30 am

Team MCC at Chicago replaced the oil drain plug on the service I had,& am pretty sure the new one they put in had a hexagonal shoulder to it for a socket to fit,I would confirm this but the bike is not with me still,in fact it never left on the 9th sept ,it's still in Los Angeles !
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby BritTwit » Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:00 am

BLIGHTYBRIT/SF wrote:Team MCC at Chicago replaced the oil drain plug on the service I had,& am pretty sure the new one they put in had a hexagonal shoulder to it for a socket to fit,I would confirm this but the bike is not with me still,in fact it never left on the 9th sept ,it's still in Los Angeles !


Please check and let us know ASAP.
If a hex head sump plug is available, I need one too.

However, knowing our Customs folks, we may have to wait till Christmas to find out. :lol:
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby contours » Sat Sep 24, 2016 11:27 am

I'm kind of pissed off about this ...
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I'd say that hex key socket is pretty butchered. :x I didn't look any better before I gave my last effort to unscrew the drain plug. Either Norton UK or MCC in Chicago owes me a new one after they did the first oil change.

Fortunately, there is an alternative way of getting the oil out as suggested by TonyA, although it'll be messy. The 8 sump plate screws will come out easily. When that plate is loose all the oil will dump out. Not what I was hoping to do for the first service, but what else can I do? In the meantime I'm removing the ECU and shipping it off for a re-map. The way she runs right now I can't even warm the engine up properly to do an oil change in the first place. :roll:
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby contours » Sat Sep 24, 2016 11:41 am

contours wrote:I'm kind of pissed off about this ...


Of course, my fix for this mess is arriving this week!

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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby Voodooo » Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:23 pm

contours wrote:I'm kind of pissed off about this ...
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I'd say that key key socket is pretty butchered. :x I didn't look any better before I gave my last effort to unscrew the drain plug. Either Norton UK or MCC in Chicago owes me a new one after they did the first oil change.

Fortunately, there is an alternative way of getting the oil out as suggested by TonyA, although it'll be messy. The 8 sump plate screws will come out easily. When that plate is loose all the oil will dump out. Not what I was hoping to do for the first service, but what else can I do? In the meantime I'm removing the ECU and shipping it off for a re-map. The way she runs right now I can't even warm the engine up properly to do an oil change in the first place. :roll:


Before you go and remove the plate, try a standard size Allen wrench instead of a metric. It might be enough to bite onto the plug to get it loose.
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby contours » Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:35 pm

Voodooo wrote:Before you go and remove the plate, try a standard size Allen wrench instead of a metric. It might be enough to bite onto the plug to get it loose.


Already tried that. It doesn't fit. The more I try to turn the screw the worse the stripping gets. I need to show somebody that it was not me who did it!
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby Voodooo » Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:43 pm

contours wrote:
Voodooo wrote:Before you go and remove the plate, try a standard size Allen wrench instead of a metric. It might be enough to bite onto the plug to get it loose.


Already tried that. It doesn't fit. The more I try to turn the screw the worse the stripping gets. I need to show somebody that it was not me who did it!


I understand.
I'm a mechanic and I see this all the time from people. Is their enough to grab the outside of the plug with a extractor or needle nose vise grips? I'll have to look at my bike when I get home. I'd rather have a hex head plug over a inverted Allen plug.
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby BritTwit » Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:48 pm

contours wrote:
Voodooo wrote:Before you go and remove the plate, try a standard size Allen wrench instead of a metric. It might be enough to bite onto the plug to get it loose.


Already tried that. It doesn't fit. The more I try to turn the screw the worse the stripping gets. I need to show somebody that it was not me who did it!


Contours,

Sorry to see your situation.

Voodooo is right, if they get a good bite with the vise grip on the head, you may be able to loosen the damn thing.
Worth a shot before removing sump plate.
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Re: Oil Change Demon

Postby contours » Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:58 pm

BritTwit wrote:Voodooo is right, if they get a good bite with the vise grip on the head, you may be able to loosen the damn thing.
Worth a shot before removing sump plate.


I suppose it's worth a try. I just figured since I won't be riding it I would feel MCC out about my situation. I don't want to turn it into a hack job ... just yet. :roll:
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