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Re: Norvil

Postby NortonMKIIA850 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:53 am

+1 to that!
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Re: Norvil

Postby Triton Thrasher » Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:06 am

WEAL Norton wrote: we bought 7 "brand new" Commandos .




To think I was moaning about them putting £20 worth of Wassell carburettor jets in "Genuine Norton Spares" bags!
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Re: Norvil

Postby baz » Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:47 am

Put it this way I absolutely love my commando but if the only spares available were from norvil I'd have to stop riding it, or buy a Honda or become a monk, seriously if you buy from him check the item extremely carefully and expect it to be the wrong part,and it will be your fault for ordering the wrong part,and don't even think about getting your money back, luckily there are a choice of dealers out there , cheers
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Re: Norvil

Postby Paul W » Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:30 am

I was restoring a one owner original 650SS many years ago and visited Norvil for advice and spares namely for the head. L E asked me what year it was and the engine number which I duely provided and he immediately stated that I had all the wrong parts fitted and that it should be a high pressure oil system and I had the low pressure system which is c**p. I stated that this was an untouched totally original bike and he became very argumentative. I left his premises feeling totally deflated and in a sense annoyed by his obnoxious manner. Later I researched more into my 650SS and it transpired that my bike was manufactured during the transition period that Norton changed from low to high pressure systems or from 3 to 6 start oil pumps so my machine was correct. I have maintained and kept the low pressure system and it has never given me any problems. I for one will never use Norvil as there are far more knowledgeable and polite suppliers out there to deal with.
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Re: Norvil

Postby dave M » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:30 am

I seem to b the exception but I have bought parts from Norvil for years without any problems, I have also used RGM with no issues. I have had a couple of faulty parts from Norvil and they replaced them with no fuss or charge. I live a long way away from any Norton parts supplier - other than Madass who is almost a next door neighbor - so it is important to me that parts ordered and supplied are correct otherwise weeks of time can be lost. I have restored 7 Commandos as well as other classics in the last decade and they are all still on the road with no major problems.

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Re: Norvil

Postby mike provence » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:17 am

I've bought plenty of parts from Norvil over the years, though I have been letting my bike sit for the past half-decade or so. Always satisfied on service and quality. About ten years ago I bought a visually perfect gearbox part from Norvil, which immediately failed due to faulty manufacturing. I sent a digital photo and they furnished a good replacement part quickly at their expense with no fuss. I was impressed. I expected poor treatment and received the opposite.

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Re: Norvil

Postby nortriubuell » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:15 am

robs ss wrote:I'm not sure about quality of Norvil products but...
About 5 or 6 years ago I ordered a number of parts from Norvil. When they arrived in Australia I noticed a couple of parts weren't what I ordered.
I contacted Normal by email to attempt to get the problem fixed.
After a couple of exchanges. which pointed to it apparently being my fault/problem - then I got a strange tirade of abuse from Les Emery
Still can't believe he treats paying customers that way
Anyway - I for one won't be spending a red cent there again
Cheers
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+1 with what Rob writes above; as same thing happened with me ... with Les. :evil: WAY too many other really good and caring suppliers out there to tolerate Mr Emery. Why waste yer time, eh :shock:
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Re: Norvil

Postby seanthomasking » Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:35 am

I don't understand the following, isn't Andover Norton the only genuine source? How does Norvil own the Commando trademark & what happened in the court case?

COMMANDO is our registered trade mark
British Patent Office Registration Number : 2128766
We have not given permission for anyone else to make use of our Commando trademark in respect of the manufacture of Commando parts for the Norton Commando's that were produced between 1967 and 1978

NORVIL is our registered trade mark
British Patent Office Registration Number : 2128517
United States Patent & Trademark Office Registration Number : 1644347
We have not given permission for anyone else to make use of our Norvil trademark in respect of the manufacture of Norvil parts for any motorcycle


NORTON is not our registered trade mark but we have a licence from the trademark owner to manufacture and sell Genuine Norton motorcycles & parts
Anyone claiming to be "The Only Genuine Source" are legally wrong due to our own 2001 licence pre-dating subsequent company licences

We manufacture Genuine Norton Parts to original factory specification except where we have deemed it necessary to upgrade tooling and revise drawings in order to make parts in newer & better materials, to modern day tolerances for modern day reliability
We have many original factory drawings which are used to make parts that don't require improvement, though with today's modern engineering practices most parts can and have been improved by us over the years
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Re: Norvil

Postby madass140 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:41 am

yes it is confusing, I remember when this shit fight stared a loooooooooong time ago. maybe its still going. L.A.B or one of the others may have more time than I have to try and explain it. not sure if I even understand it now.
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Re: Norvil

Postby L.A.B. » Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:15 am

seanthomasking wrote:I don't understand the following, isn't Andover Norton the only genuine source? How does Norvil own the Commando trademark & what happened in the court case?


'Norvil' and 'Commando', were never trademarked by the Norton factory.

Norvil Motorcycles trademarked the names so they can sell their own brand spares as 'Genuine Norvil Factory' and 'Genuine Commando Factory' etc.


However, Mick Hemmings also has the right to use the Norvil trademark so there's also 'Hemmings' Norvil.

THE NORVIL ® TRADEMARK

On NOVEMBER 4TH, 1994 at the Patent Office, London, the Comptroller General for
the Trade Marks Registry gave judgement that MR. LES EMERY, trading as FAIR
SPARES (Now trading as The Norvil M/C Company) has no exclusive Rights
whatsoever, to the Trade Mark “NORVIL”.
1. It was also his judgement that Andover Norton had not inherited from Norton Villiers
Performance Shop Ltd., any Rights to the NORVIL Trade Mark and thus, in effect,
had no Rights to assign to Mr. L. Emery. (Now trading as The Norvil M/C Company).
2. It was also clear that Andover Norton had never used the name NORVIL as a Trade
Mark.
3. No proof was given in evidence by “FAIR SPARES” that they had ever purchased
from Andover Norton, any so-called “Genuine” Jigs, Fixtures, Tools or drawings for
NORVIL parts.
4. MICK HEMMINGS MOTORCYCLES have been continuously manufacturing
NORVIL parts in the period 1974 to present, with the knowledge and assistance of
both ANDOVER NORTON and NORTON MOTORS LTD.
A FULL COPY OF THE COURT TRANSCRIPT WITH SUPPORTING EVIDENCE IS
AVAILABLE AT MICK HEMMINGS MOTORCYCLES FOR INSPECTION BY ANYONE
WHO WISHES.
®THE NORVIL TRADEMARK IS NOW OWNED BY BOTH COMPANIES
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Re: Norvil

Postby DogT » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:41 am

That's clear as mud.

I ordered a complete bottom end rebuild kit for my 69 but specified the C3 bearings. He told me that the bearings wouldn't last 500 miles but sent them anyhow. But with what I've seen I doubt I would buy any more from him unless it was something I just couldn't find anywhere else.
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Re: Norvil

Postby madass140 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:27 am

NON - SERVICE EXCHANGE
RESTORATION GEARBOXES £988 + VAT
Fully assembled from some new & some restored parts
If you don't have an exchange to send us and still want to get a fully restored gearbox but save yourself some money off the cost of buying a new one, then you can buy one of our restoration gearboxes. There is no need to send us your old gearbox with this option.

Norvil's latest offering. so it could be assumed for a thousand quid you get a box made up out of assorted used bits? hmmm
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Re: Norvil

Postby madass140 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:34 am

or new. 170 quid more than one from AN
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Re: Norvil

Postby grandpaul » Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:42 am

madass140 wrote:or new. 170 quid more than one from AN

Yikes.

I just had that notice in my email yesterday.
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Re: Norvil

Postby Triton Thrasher » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:42 am

seanthomasking wrote:We have not given permission for anyone else to make use of our Commando trademark


Nor has my granny.
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