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tuono



Joined: 07 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you guys manage to spend so much on these rebuilds? I thoiught some of the UK 'specialists' were rip off merchants but you must have the monopoly in the USA. Get it over to me and I will do a good rebuild for $6K easily.
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Ron L



Joined: 27 Feb 2004
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Location: Ohio

PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

$6k??? I can probably do a resto for myself on that budget, but I would not attempt to do a quality resto for a "customer" without some monetary consideration for my time.
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debby



Joined: 15 Apr 2004
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Location: Boulder, CO

PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spent $6K on my 750 restoration not including the cost of the bike. I started with a complete original bike that ran (sort of) and was in good cosmetic condition.

So far I've spent $8K on my 850 restoration, not counting the cost of the parts bike I started with. It was missing a lot of parts and most of what was there was bad. I can tell you the cost of all those small bits adds up very fast.

I've done all the work myself except machine shop services and powdercoating. I have not had the bodywork repainted on either bike. Both bikes were completely disassembled and had 100 percent rebuilds from the ground up (they needed it, too). Unlike others on this forum I did not have access to a large stash of parts, so I've had to purchase a lot of new parts. Those new parts are expensive and are getting more expensive every week thanks to the continually-sinking US Dollar. I've also purchased a fair amount of used parts for the 850 from ebay, but quality used parts aren't cheap any more either.

Skeptics are welcome to come out to Colorado and see my receipt stacks!

Debby
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grandpaul



Joined: 15 Jan 2008
Posts: 533
Location: Laredo (south) Texas

PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back to the build after nearly a month-long timeout for racing at Daytona.

Installed camchain & geartrain for same with rubber faced camchain adjuster, plus refurbished oil pump.





Free advice - don't "test fit" the crank pinion without the back plate and triad spacer, it's a MOTHER to remove otherwise!

We're awaiting the imminent arrival of 60 pounds of Cad-plated bits & bobs, all component and sub-component assembly work is pending fasteners, etc. from this batch!

Got in the freshly skimmed and drilled front brake rotor, it looks a treat and should provide slightly better braking due to cooling effect; also get a few ounces of unsprung weight shaved off as a side benefit.

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grandpaul



Joined: 15 Jan 2008
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Location: Laredo (south) Texas

PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Concerning the cost to do a restoration in the UK, I can believe $6K, that's $12k over here.
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JimC



Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Posts: 168
Location: Port St. John, FL

PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

$6000 US seems about right, maybe a bit on the low side with the recent devaluation of the dollar and that's doing most of the work oneself. That's just bringing everthing back to spec and having all the shiny parts once again shiny. Start making upgrades and it's pretty easy to get into five figures.
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Ron L



Joined: 27 Feb 2004
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Location: Ohio

PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't disagree if you are doing a personal restoration, but this does not take into consideration the number of hours spent in disassembly, cleaning, fitting, parts ordering, and assembly. I would expect to be compensated for those hours if working on some one else's machine.
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Chris



Joined: 21 Jan 2008
Posts: 102
Location: Eastbourne East Sussex UK

PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:12 am    Post subject: Thank you!!! Reply with quote

Trouble is Ron Most of my friends say thanks!

My best friend owns a lathe & we "help each other" Fair trade.

Only buy what you need not what you would like!

I had bikes in the garage for years making them perfect. They never left the garage.

Must force myself back out there.
all the best Chris
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Ron L



Joined: 27 Feb 2004
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Location: Ohio

PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand what you say, Chris. I have done a total restoration of a '68 Fastback for a good friend, no compensation expected, he just paid for the parts and did the legwork. I also have a buddy with a lathe and a garage full of Nortons and parts. He helps me with machine work and I do his engine and gearbox work and we raid each others parts stashes. That's what makes this hobby fun.

What I am talking about is when a friend of a friend of a friend's co-worker calls and wants me to "fix up" his newly purchased Norton. They bring the poor beast over and it needs lots of help, but he doesn't want to spend much cause he only paid $1000 for it. These people will get charged for my time.
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grandpaul



Joined: 15 Jan 2008
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Location: Laredo (south) Texas

PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ron L - You have a healthy understanding of "friends" when it comes to bikes.

I help out friends all the time, even people on forums that I've never met, but I know where to draw the line. After all, this is also my business when it's time to pay the electric bill.
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grandpaul



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Location: Laredo (south) Texas

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, stuff going on "behind the scenes" not worth photos and posts, but got the tranny finished today and set it aside for installation this weekend along with all the Cad plated stuff to mount the tranny cradle, swingarm, engine, engine mounts, and isolastics.

"before and after" shots of the tranny-



All nipped up, waiting for the polished cover (after it's in the frame)-

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71basketcase



Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Posts: 79
Location: CapeCod

PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with you, Debby: I haven't totaled up the reciepts but the 71 basketcase was missing lots of stuff (oil tank, all the electrics, etc....) and much of the stuff that I had was in bad shape: I don't think I've reached 6k but I'm pretty close to that mark......

and the 'highlight' of the build HAD to be cutting off and fairing the REBAR (concrete reinforcement bars) highway pegs the previous redneck... er... owner had welded on to the down tubes Rolling Eyes

For a guy who makes sawdust for a living , turning wrenches is a great passtime...... I can't wait (very shortly) to hear this baby spring to life after about a 30 year 'rest'

Karl
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grandpaul



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Location: Laredo (south) Texas

PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Cad plated bits and bobs came out nice-

The rest of your nuts, bolts, screws, and washers are in here somewhere-

Assembly now starts in earnest.
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grandpaul



Joined: 15 Jan 2008
Posts: 533
Location: Laredo (south) Texas

PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tranny installed, all isolastics, tranny mounts & engine mounts done and all nipped up along with highly polished Z-plates.

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grandpaul



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Posts: 533
Location: Laredo (south) Texas

PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swingarm & rear shocks installed, and many bolts, nuts & washers sorted and set aside.

By the way, Chip, the swingarm pivot pin was full of GREASE! (Supposed to be 140W oil). Hey, it happens a lot; a guy sees a grease fitting, by golly he greases it!

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The Unapproachable Norton Commando

At the end of 1967 the Norton Commando was announced.

The Norton Commando was greeted with a certain amount of scepticism because on first sight the commando appeared to comprise of the old Norton Dominator twin cylinder engine mounted at an inclined angle in a set of new cylinder parts.

It was not realized that the new Norton Commando Isolastic method of engine suspension damped out all engine vibration and produced a machine which had uncanny smoothness for a vertical twin. In due course the critics were silenced and the Norton Commando had the distinction of being regarded as the first of todays so called superbikes. There can be little doubt that the original design concept of the Norton Commando has proved correct, since comparatively few modifications of any real consequence have been made since production commenced during 1968.

Now nearly 40 years later Norton Commando riders like us are a breed of our own, and as far as we are concerned its still more fun to go for a blat on the old Norton Commando, and fast. As a Norton Commando owner and enthusiast, my goal here is to promote and give credit to those who keep the Norton name going.

It is more deserving to give credit to the Commando itself, for after all these years it continues to be respected. The original Commando designers like John Favill are those who deserve the credit for developing this incredible motorcycle.

The Norton Commando Roadster and Interstate of the late seventies, never died. Although the Norton Villiers factory dispersed the tradition lived on. Today Kenny Dreer in the USA is developing the new 952 CC Norton. What a great looking bike this is, and its engineering is still based on the original layout. It will be interesting to see how the new 952CC Norton does in todays tough motorcycle market. One thing is for sure, I would own one if I could afford it.