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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby Rohan » Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:22 pm

Bernhard wrote:Your point on paint is noted, but wasn’t it you who supplied the method of painting Polychromatic Blue :?:

http://www.nortonownersclub.org/noc-cha ... /958198253


There are all sorts of modern interpretations of older paints.
And as GP has indicated above.

But Nortons had their own enamelling tanks, and it would have just had a coat or 3 of enamel out of the factory.
As other posters on the NOC Forum have pointed out, and found colour matches for.

I painted an early 1950s dommie in Nortons earlier version of polychromatic blue, a much lighter shade than the Manxman's version. Someone familiar with this type of paint mixed it up for me, he said it was a pearl type of paint ( finely crushed glass ) to give that "polychromatic" prismatic look to it in different lights.

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Someone in the US found this was about an identical shade that Mercury painted some of their outboards back then.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41JBY7X%2Bu1L.jpg
This ain't rocket science...

But we diverge from Manxmans.

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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby frankdamp » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:14 am

Maybe they're Manxmen in the plural.
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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby Rohan » Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:13 pm

Thats a good one Frank !!
Anna might have something to say about that though...

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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby annajeannette » Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:04 pm

Rohan wrote:Thats a good one Frank !!
Anna might have something to say about that though...

YES this Headlamp is the correct light blue paint and its nothing like a mercury colour has its some what darker shade and its not a metallic paint like that on this headlamp

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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby Rohan » Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:26 pm

If you knew your paints Anna, you would know the headlamp I showed is NOT a METALLIC colour.
Its a 1950 Norton polychromatic blue, mixed/matched to a genuine formula.
I think the paint mixing guy said he used crushed glass in it, which equates more or less to a 'pearl' type paint these days. Its what reflects light in many ways, which gives the 'poly' bit to the way it looks from different angles.

Image

BTW, polychromatic paints were around even back into the 1930s,
Royal Enfield used it on their tanks in 1939 I hear, and some cars had it back then too.

You seem to be becoming quite adept at just making silly statements, for the heck of it. ?
Same as noted on the NOC too...

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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby frankdamp » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:16 pm

My company-provided 650SS was all black except for a silver fuel tank. I think it had twin carbs. It was a rather tired old hack, if the odometer, showing over 135,000 miles was to be believed. I rode it 45 miles each way from where we lived before moving within 10 mies of the N-V Marston Road facility. It was very reliable, the only problem being a blown heaad gasket from the cyllinder to outside. The failure occurred abut 10 mile from the plant, and I had it fixed before it was time to go home.

Although I decided not to ride in the US because of the risk of making a n LHD/RHD mistake and leaving DW and kids without a Dad, I stll think I'd like to have had that old bird over here. Does anyone know what happened to it? I don't think it was ever registered and it had trade plates (001-JW, a Wolverhampton reg.) all the time I used it. Last I saw of it was in the Comp. Dept. garage at Marston Road on a brief return trip from Seattle maybe in mid-1969.
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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby annajeannette » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:47 am

Rohan wrote:
Bernhard wrote:Your point on paint is noted, but wasn’t it you who supplied the method of painting Polychromatic Blue :?:

http://www.nortonownersclub.org/noc-cha ... /958198253


There are all sorts of modern interpretations of older paints.
And as GP has indicated above.

But Nortons had their own enamelling tanks, and it would have just had a coat or 3 of enamel out of the factory.
As other posters on the NOC Forum have pointed out, and found colour matches for.

I painted an early 1950s dommie in Nortons earlier version of polychromatic blue, a much lighter shade than the Manxman's version. Someone familiar with this type of paint mixed it up for me, he said it was a pearl type of paint ( finely crushed glass ) to give that "polychromatic" prismatic look to it in different lights.

Image

Someone in the US found this was about an identical shade that Mercury painted some of their outboards back then.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41JBY7X%2Bu1L.jpg
This ain't rocket science...

But we diverge from Manxmans.


Norton Manxman colour match YOU need lotus pacific Blue PAINT code A68

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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby annajeannette » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:51 am

RAYSONS wrote:Are we all talking about some of these, jeff, an atlas with slightly modified silencers?


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Send us some better pictures and i'll take a look, i highly doubt there will be anything fancy about them.

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THESE ARE NOT MODIFIED SILENCER THESE ARE BRACEBRIDGE STREET IN HOUSE MADE FOR THE NORTON MANXMAN ONLY

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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby annajeannette » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:13 am

Rohan wrote:
Bernhard wrote:Your point on paint is noted, but wasn’t it you who supplied the method of painting Polychromatic Blue :?:


http://www.nortonownersclub.org/noc-cha ... /958198253


NOC TECHNICAL IS OUT OF DATE NORTON MANXMAN 650 Colour Code is A68 lotus pacific blue met you need a mid gold base coat has you can no longer get the old colour these have all been outlawed has unsafe to use by the board of trade and so-called old enamels were synthetic based restorers like me now use Cellulose based or Acrylic based paints so that why you need a gold basecoat then paint over with the blue the paint blends in on the workpiece and there is not powder coating that will the same job you cannot use old paint from the 1960s anymore there banned by the board of trade and EC directive restorers now using cellulose based must now be licensed to use these substances and have the correct venting and spraying booth and follow the correct spraying procedure and have the right protective clothing and breathing apparatus and a constant temperature of 70f safety first

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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby annajeannette » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:19 am

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this is the old polychromatic light blue and was use for export machines along with post office red or black and the mercury was nothing like this colour that all its was Atlantic blue and not in metallic

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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby Rohan » Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:07 pm

annajeannette wrote: NOC TECHNICAL IS OUT OF DATE NORTON MANXMAN 650 Colour Code is A68 lotus pacific blue met you need a mid gold base coat has you can no longer get the old colour these have all been outlawed has unsafe to use by the board of trade and so-called old enamels were synthetic based restorers like me now use Cellulose based or Acrylic based paints so that why you need a gold basecoat then paint over with the blue


You are yet to show us an example of this "gold basecoat" on anything Anna - anything with a paint chip on it should show the basecoat underneath - if there is one ?
None of the samples of manxman paint I have examined shows any evidence of this - although I didn't get out my penknife and start scratching away. !!

2 pack enamels are still available of course, as are a wide variety of many tough types of paint - many trucks and aircraft will be finished in them. Cellulose was a cheaper finish back then, and Nortons had their own enamelling tanks. And AMC had acquired Sunbeam in the 1930s, reportedly purely to obtain their secret of the beautiful glossy black enamel finish to their bikes. (it seems the 'secret' was just the care and attention in flatting back everything perfectly smooth, before the next coat of enamel was applied) "Three coats of best enamel" and all that...
Commandos I can't vouch for though....

P.S. Has anyone examined an original paint manxman anywhere as to the paint finish ?
A perfect sign that the parts were enamel DIPPED is the presence of drip marks and runs towards the lower points of things, as they would have been hung to dry, and oven baked.
I have a few black bits of Nortons and AMC stuff that clearly have been so treated, the drips and slight runs seem to follow the path of gravity... (!) The deep lustrous black of unused parts is lovely to view too, although in use whatever formula of enamel they used seems to oxidise away a little faster than modern tougher type paints would do...

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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby texasSlick » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:06 pm

Rohan wrote:
P.S. Has anyone examined an original paint manxman anywhere as to the paint finish ?
A perfect sign that the parts were enamel DIPPED is the presence of drip marks and runs towards the lower points of things, as they would have been hung to dry, and oven baked.
I have a few black bits of Nortons and AMC stuff that clearly have been so treated, the drips and slight runs seem to follow the path of gravity... (!) The deep lustrous black of unused parts is lovely to view too, although in use whatever formula of enamel they used seems to oxidise away a little faster than modern tougher type paints would do...


Many parts on my Atlas show such drip marks. The frame black paint has oxidized to a charcoal gray, but the swing arm paint has remained deep black, glossy and tough. That would indicate frame and swing arm were painted in different shops.

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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby Matt Spencer » Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:23 pm

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Theres a thing .
The Japanese response to ' styling ' , was to add more .
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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby annajeannette » Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:29 pm

Rohan wrote:
annajeannette wrote: NOC TECHNICAL IS OUT OF DATE NORTON MANXMAN 650 Colour Code is A68 lotus pacific blue met you need a mid gold base coat has you can no longer get the old colour these have all been outlawed has unsafe to use by the board of trade and so-called old enamels were synthetic based restorers like me now use Cellulose based or Acrylic based paints so that why you need a gold basecoat then paint over with the blue


You are yet to show us an example of this "gold basecoat" on anything Anna - anything with a paint chip on it should show the basecoat underneath - if there is one ?
None of the samples of manxman paint I have examined shows any evidence of this - although I didn't get out my penknife and start scratching away. !!

2 pack enamels are still available of course, as are a wide variety of many tough types of paint - many trucks and aircraft will be finished in them. Cellulose was a cheaper finish back then, and Nortons had their own enamelling tanks. And AMC had acquired Sunbeam in the 1930s, reportedly purely to obtain their secret of the beautiful glossy black enamel finish to their bikes. (it seems the 'secret' was just the care and attention in flatting back everything perfectly smooth, before the next coat of enamel was applied) "Three coats of best enamel" and all that...
Commandos I can't vouch for though....

P.S. Has anyone examined an original paint manxman anywhere as to the paint finish ?
A perfect sign that the parts were enamel DIPPED is the presence of drip marks and runs towards the lower points of things, as they would have been hung to dry, and oven baked.
I have a few black bits of Nortons and AMC stuff that clearly have been so treated, the drips and slight runs seem to follow the path of gravity... (!) The deep lustrous black of unused parts is lovely to view too, although in use whatever formula of enamel they used seems to oxidise away a little faster than modern tougher type paints would do...



Hello Let me make this clear we now use a gold base, has an under coat its was not done like this in the factory so do not bother trying to find in on original colours you Cannot use Old type paints anymore they are BANNED By the EC directive and Heath and safety only modern paints can be used and for cellulose you need to be licensed to use it the old paint had syante in them which is not good for your heath SO forget your old type paints

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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby annajeannette » Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:24 pm

Rohan wrote:If you knew your paints Anna, you would know the headlamp I showed is NOT a METALLIC colour.
Its a 1950 Norton polychromatic blue, mixed/matched to a genuine formula.
I think the paint mixing guy said he used crushed glass in it, which equates more or less to a 'pearl' type paint these days. Its what reflects light in many ways, which gives the 'poly' bit to the way it looks from different angles.

Image

BTW, polychromatic paints were around even back into the 1930s,
Royal Enfield used it on their tanks in 1939 I hear, and some cars had it back then too.

You seem to be becoming quite adept at just making silly statements, for the heck of it. ?
Same as noted on the NOC too...







Well any paint that is ground up with a metallic base material's these are there called metallic paints right from the 1930s ici tech-loyd paint synthetic base paints you ozies call enamel paint of all things like humberol for painting model railways and other models You can still by synthetic paints today but there limited to the historic industry and restores of railway equipment or vintage motorcycles or cars or steam drive road vehicles also you can go down the Hammerite road that's enamel synthetic paints

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