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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby robs ss » Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:04 am

David
The link you provided above : http://atlanticgreen.com/images/Norton% ... 20List.pdf is very interesting but commences October 1965.
Do you have any earlier modifications listing? If so, could I ask that you post a copy here?
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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby annajeannette » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:09 pm

dynodave wrote:Look through 61-62 FACTORY parts book ps214 on page 56 for the "allen screw" 23395 carburator fixing screw
http://www.classicbike.biz/Norton/Parts ... 1_1962.pdf

Your secret back room draft of what a manxman could be or eventually was, since not publicly
circulated and available, is of little use except to bolster your ego for being owner of such a rag.
You TOTALLY ignore the reference ps214 above which includes the 61 manxman (dated 11/60 on the mag) that preceeds your bike and is just as legit a manxman as yours. You will see the reference 23395 IS clearly listed as a supporting part for dual manifolds NOT single carb...whether a 650SS or manxman.

You really should learn when to cut and paste, spell and NOT double post such as you did above.

It is easy to see why NOC forum showed you the door :arrow:


YES CLEARLY LISTED FOR SEPTEMBER 1961 to 1962 models Model 50 ES2 Model 88/99 Standard SS/ And De-lux And 650 Standard and De-lux /650SS models all home models has your parts number are for British home market, By the Time its Parts Manuel was printed the Run of the 650cc Norton Manxman's had ended and superseded by the 650SS so to make the 650 cheaper to produce This is why you have this part manual ,and not the Export part manual for !960/1961 printed in Birmingham by Norton for Berliner Motors Original Parts Manual Does not have this part Number 23395 In this Parts manual, Do not forget the Norton Manxman Had special parts made for it and you will not find them in and home part manual, there are two different sets of inlet port sleeves like part number 23874 for models 88ss /650ss . now then Norton Manxman inlet port sleeves part Number 23396 , Carburettor are Different with a different set to the 650ss the Norton Manxman Carburetor part number are 367/274and 367/275 with a 230 main jet , Now has for the 650ss there Carburetor part numbers are 367/288 and 375/289 with a 240 or 250 main jet . These are Export motorcycle some part numbers are not the same and very early machine had a different set up to home models and the Manxman had its own set of silencers and exhaust pipes and were not the same has the 650ss And has for calling kettle grime arse you have 6 spelling mistakes and I do not need to drop and drag has I only post the once maybe its something to do with the forum so you see your not reading from the same pages has me I do have both parts manuals so your mates carburetor fitting are from a 650ss and Not early Manxman so if its is a early Manxman then parts have been changed at some point END of Argument !

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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby Triton Thrasher » Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:39 pm

Is 367 an anagram of 376?
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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby dynodave » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:00 pm

Ok, I think I know the scenario. My friends manxman with 376-274/275 was in the shed one night and when no one was looking 2 leprechauns came in and swapped the correct original manxman carb hardware and in it's place they put nasty 650SS carb hardware and left everything else untouched. They probably felt like real devils knowing some day we mortals would be in awe over the hardware discrepancy contradicting AJD's bible. :?:
They must have done the same thing to the manxman used in the Mar 1962 Cycle World article, it looks to have the same black-oxide socket head screw on the RH side.
Left to right: stud---socket hd screw---stud---socket hd screw

Stud/nut on the float bowl side and Socket head on the clean side.
In any case this is what I'm also using on my 88SS and won't have to worry about the leprechauns fooling with my hardware.

Additional fun data :D
Amal Carburettor Type Number and Use
Prepared by Dennis W right scorpion@cdi.com.au
Data solely from Amal Publications: List No. 601/3
(Issue No. 2) & List No. 601/4 (Issue No. 4)
376/274 Norton 650cc 1965-66; Mod 99 (USA)
1 1/16"
25
3.5
250
0.106
3
376/275
Norton 650cc 1965-66; Mod 99 (USA)
(Chopped)
1 1/16"
25
3.5
250
0.106
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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby annajeannette » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:05 pm

dynodave wrote:Ok, I think I know the scenario. My friends Manxman with 376-274/275 was in the shed one night and when no one was looking 2 leprechauns came in and swapped the correct original Manxman carb hardware and in it's place they put nasty 650SS carb hardware and left everything else untouched. They probably felt like real devils knowing some day we mortals would be in awe over the hardware discrepancy contradicting AJD's bible. :?:



ITS NOT A Bibel Only a Very rare Parts Manual that you do not have Mate ! Argue all you like you cannot change what's in the Norton Manuel just to suit you and your ego !


dynodave wrote:They must have done the same thing to the Manxman used in the Mar 1962 Cycle World article, it looks to have the same black oxide socket head screw on the RH side.



Left to right: stud---socket HD screw---stud---socket HD screw The NORTON MANXMAN used in 1962 cycle world was a very early 1960 machine by this time Norton Had Stop building the Manxman by the end of August 1961 that was the last batch of 150 machines among them were polychromatic blue ones with a red seat and others in black and silvers some in blue with black seats some with the 3.1/2 gallon tank on some with the 650ss exhausts fitted some even had red tanks its was a mixed bag the last shipment.

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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby RAYSONS » Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:34 pm

Are we all talking about some of these, jeff, an atlas with slightly modified silencers?

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Send us some better pictures and i'll take a look, i highly doubt there will be anything fancy about them.

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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby Rohan » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:43 pm

RAYSONS wrote:Are we all talking about some of these, jeff, an atlas with slightly modified silencers?


Just for clarity here. That ain't no Atlas, thats a Manxman !
Blue paint and orange seat is rather a giveaway.
And,
Atlas = 750cc
Manxman = 650cc

The Manxman appeared a year or more before the Atlas, and almost entirely went to the US market.
Superficially, they do look very similar. In detail, a lot is (ever so slightly) different...

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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby annajeannette » Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:13 pm

NORTON MANXMAN DID NOT HAVE ORANGE SEATS They Had Bright red seat with white piping around

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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby Rohan » Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:41 pm

Wasn't it you that was sprouting that there was gold flake in the paint ?

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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby Rohan » Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:44 pm

Maybe the red faded a bit for this shot ?

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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby annajeannette » Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:20 am

Rohan wrote:Wasn't it you that was sprouting that there was gold flake in the paint ?

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if you look the frame is black so this bike been apart and painted after it was new at some time by one of its many owners its had so do not go off no one has you see a yellow Norton and the gold base was sprayed over will blue met so you will no see any gold at all mate from down under

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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby Rohan » Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:20 pm

Silver or gold flakes UNDER a transparent blue coat would be a candy apple finish.
Nortons/AMC did a candy apple red finish for some of the dirt bikes, hybrids, P11, and later 850 Commando.

Manxmans are a polychromatic blue finish though - in enamel. ?
If you scratch through the paint (!), there is no flake basecoat.

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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby annajeannette » Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:18 am

Rohan wrote:Silver or gold flakes UNDER a transparent blue coat would be a candy apple finish.
Nortons/AMC did a candy apple red finish for some of the dirt bikes, hybrids, P11, and later 850 Commando.

Manxmans are a polychromatic blue finish though - in enamel. ?
If you scratch through the paint (!), there is no flake basecoat.


sorry mate but there is a base coat on all brit bikes its was the Japs that did not do a base coat and were not talking about polychromatic blue has you cannot get it anymore where talking about trying our best to do a match up colour in modern paints and the trick of the trade to achieve this please understand its well over 50 years since these bikes were made, and now there like steam locomotives relics of the past just like the dinosaur's

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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby Bernhard » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:30 am

Your point on paint is noted, but wasn’t it you who supplied the method of painting Polychromatic Blue :?:

http://www.nortonownersclub.org/noc-cha ... /958198253

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Re: Norton Manxman

Postby grandpaul » Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:09 am

annajeannette wrote:...and were not talking about polychromatic blue has you cannot get it anymore where talking about trying our best to do a match up colour in modern paints and the trick of the trade to achieve this ...

Although he is no longer personally painting bikes, Don Hutchinson's shop can match all classic Britbike paint perfectly, now with modern paint formulations.

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