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Re: North Wisconsin Royal E Interceptor

Postby jimbo » Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:41 am

differences like in......


"whats the diff?" :lol:
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Re: North Wisconsin Royal E Interceptor

Postby Bernhard » Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:03 am

jimbo wrote:differences like in......


"whats the diff?" :lol:



Now you are crystal clear – I think someone else has answered your question :shock:

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Re: North Wisconsin Royal E Interceptor

Postby Bernhard » Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:09 am

jimbo wrote:
Onder wrote:They are a money pit making a Commando look like a Honda.
You are correct that the S2 is more attractive in every way.


I don't know too much about them , can you explain, the differences between the Marks? And the costly repairs?


Or, you could join the V Twin brigade :!: :shock:

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Re: North Wisconsin Royal E Interceptor

Postby frankdamp » Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:42 am

Royal Enfields are still being made and they're on the UK market, but the factory is in India.
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Re: North Wisconsin Royal E Interceptor

Postby worntorn » Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:36 pm

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Re: North Wisconsin Royal E Interceptor

Postby worntorn » Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:38 pm

Sub 13 second 105 MPH 1/4 mile for the Interceptor? Sounds a trifle optimistic.
I had a once upon a time Interceptor owner in my shop recently. He told me how his Interceptor was soooo much faster than any Commando. In reality, by the time an Interceptor reaches 100 MPH, a good Commando can go zero to 100 to zero and have the kickstand down. No comparo.
According to this test, my 650ss would kick an Interceptors butt for acceleration. A Commando would eat it alive.
The pertinent numbers are snipped, so here they are:
1/4 mile in 14.82 seconds and 87 MPH. Zero to 100 in 23 seconds.

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Re: North Wisconsin Royal E Interceptor

Postby Matt Spencer » Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:20 pm

If you look , youll see that's into a headwind . That must be what cost him the two seconds . :wink: :oops:
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Re: North Wisconsin Royal E Interceptor

Postby worntorn » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:24 pm

Must have been a force 5 hurricane!

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Re: North Wisconsin Royal E Interceptor

Postby jimbo » Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:12 am

jimbo wrote:Anyone know this story behind this bike? :?

Funny locked up motor that just happened with no warning. :cry:

I'd rather have a newer version with the Roadholders but it seems like it could made into something pretty nice

http://sheboygan.craigslist.org/mcy/4505919883.html


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Re: North Wisconsin Royal E Interceptor

Postby midnightlamp » Sat Jul 05, 2014 2:24 pm

Few points of clarification:

Four models of interceptor exist, VAX, Mk1, Mk1a and Mk2, along with some scraps of other ones. You're looking at ~6k-10k for one in good running shape depending on the state of restoration. You could be looking at more for a mk2. Easier to find Mk1's than 1a or 2's. You can also find a WHOLE bunch of Indian (the american company) bikes that use the interceptor engine and are essentially re-branded RE twins.

Mk1's were magneto powered and had a pair of monoblocs. They had factory hot cam options and featured a pretty quick steering geometry and front end typical of Enfield's. Brakes were...not that great up front, and pretty good out back. 1A's had a points setup and twin concentrics (open velocity stacks from factory) and came with either upswept pipes or straight pipes with pretty much no baffling. Mk2's had a different bottom end with a wet sump, better clutch, and different cams.

The problem with interceptors is the parts prices when things go. For example, the clutch. If the clutch pops, the original clutches are so hard to come by that you won't be able to find a spare easily (they also have weak clutch centers, so that's a problem). This is doubly awful with the Mk2, where even clutch plates are hard to come by (the steels are near impossible, and the fibers are produced but very expensive). When engine bits wear out (which they do from the higher level of power and the open carbs) you're looking at big money for all the bits and pieces, down to the bearings and rods. They're great bikes to ride and run, but they have one of the quickest 0-$6000 times of any bike I've seen from that era. The other aspect of this problem is that the value does not correspond to this as they're pretty rare and not that well known. When you get one they're more difficult to move and don't seem to hold the same value as a comparable bike from a different make.

Having owned a 1a, I'll say flat out that they're nicer bikes than the mk2 to own. A stock 1a can look really really nice without the over the top chrome tank and upswept pipes on the mk2. The fact that you can share parts (mainly) between mk1's and mk1a's is also a really nice feature. The brakes and forks are nicer on the mk2, but those are easily addressed upgrades on the older ones for not a lot of money. Dollars to donuts I'd take a 1 or 1a anyday over a mk2. They may not be amazing bikes performance wise or serviceability wise, but they sure are pretty.

Mk1a for reference: http://imgur.com/hBTy5QP

Mk2 for reference: http://imgur.com/WRL70EZ

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Re: North Wisconsin Royal E Interceptor

Postby RoadScholar » Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:20 am

Enfield's are rare, the parts aren't that hard to find, Burton's and Hitchcock's have plenty, someone is casting new barrels, heads are scarce but are 100% rebuildable (Memphis Motor Werks--Leo Goff-- replaced my valve seats).

I found this one in the basement of a Funeral Home in bits, but after two trips back to the seller I had 95% of what was needed to put the motorcycle back together and get it running:

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This is not for sale, but I'd bet that I could get more for it than a Norton of equivalent physical stature, but I don't know and don't plan to test the waters. This is a very nice running S1, a 1967 Mk1a, it had an S2 clutch hub and basket when I bought it, it came with a new wiring harness and charging system that work quite well, I put a TriSpark in it so I wouldn't have to go crazy trying to get my arthritic fingers at the points under the carbs.
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Re: North Wisconsin Royal E Interceptor

Postby midnightlamp » Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:26 am

She's a beauty, amazing job on the resto! The one I linked above WAS mine (just sold), so you can telI have a thing for mk1a interceptors (also a '67). Do you find it a bear to get on the center stand too? You're also half right about the value. The $$ for it can be found, but finding a buyer who wants one is actually surprisingly difficult. It seems especially difficult to sell a Mk1a or Mk1 as people are (for some reason) terrified of the dry sump. You're lucky to have the SII clutch hub, ask me how I know :roll:

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Re: North Wisconsin Royal E Interceptor

Postby jimbo » Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:12 am

Anyone know of a MKII for sale?
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Re: North Wisconsin Royal E Interceptor

Postby Onder » Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:12 pm

One just sold. Last winter, if memory serves, a fully restoed one sold in the upper midwest. Stateside, those are the only two I knew about
since then. Not saying an entire fleet went under the hammer, I just didnt hear. Oh, a fellow locally was flogging his Mk1 chopper but got no takers as far
as I know. Did consider it but older and wiser.
My S2 obtained for the steep sum of 800 USD complete in early 80s had all the problems mentioned. This was long before the internet and
long after the factory closed so knowledge and parts were equally scarce. Sam "The Pirate" Avelino was still in business so he was the source
of parts. Bigger problem was knowledge and simply following the shop manual was a road to failure. Clutch wasnt tough enough, gearbox was
pathetic, two problems never really solved.
Today S2 is a much better prospect. Hitchcock's offers newly UK manufactured 5 speed boxes of modern design obviating the gearbox pitfall.
Clutch too can be replaced in its entirety with a BNR unit either the chain or belt drive. These two items will cost about half of what you pay
for a decent S2 but allows you to concentrate on the many minor problems which will occur. Nothing that a good man with a machine shop cannot
handle.
Cycle parts will cost you if you can find them. Having recently finished a full Commando resto and nearly finished a full Trident project Ive learned
that the supply of NOS stuf is dwindling and it is a lot better to restore an original piece off your bike than try to fit a pattern piece. With a Enfield
it is worse and most of the cycle parts out there are Indian. If you go for a S1 , a, or S2 try to find a complete and running bike. Go high end
in the long run it will be easier and probably the same money.

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Re: North Wisconsin Royal E Interceptor

Postby jimbo » Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:48 pm

I think the thread was started because of the one in Wisc, not finished ,kind of messed up.



Anyone know this story behind this bike? :?

Funny locked up motor that just happened with no warning. :cry:

I'd rather have a newer version with the Roadholders but it seems like it could made into something pretty nice

http://sheboygan.craigslist.org/mcy/4505919883.html


Onder wrote:One just sold. Last winter, if memory serves, a fully restoed one sold in the upper midwest. Stateside, those are the only two I knew about
since then. Not saying an entire fleet went under the hammer, I just didnt hear. Oh, a fellow locally was flogging his Mk1 chopper but got no takers as far
as I know. Did consider it but older and wiser.
My S2 obtained for the steep sum of 800 USD complete in early 80s had all the problems mentioned. This was long before the internet and
long after the factory closed so knowledge and parts were equally scarce. Sam "The Pirate" Avelino was still in business so he was the source
of parts. Bigger problem was knowledge and simply following the shop manual was a road to failure. Clutch wasnt tough enough, gearbox was
pathetic, two problems never really solved.
Today S2 is a much better prospect. Hitchcock's offers newly UK manufactured 5 speed boxes of modern design obviating the gearbox pitfall.
Clutch too can be replaced in its entirety with a BNR unit either the chain or belt drive. These two items will cost about half of what you pay
for a decent S2 but allows you to concentrate on the many minor problems which will occur. Nothing that a good man with a machine shop cannot
handle.
Cycle parts will cost you if you can find them. Having recently finished a full Commando resto and nearly finished a full Trident project Ive learned
that the supply of NOS stuf is dwindling and it is a lot better to restore an original piece off your bike than try to fit a pattern piece. With a Enfield
it is worse and most of the cycle parts out there are Indian. If you go for a S1 , a, or S2 try to find a complete and running bike. Go high end
in the long run it will be easier and probably the same money.
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