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R.I.P. John Surtees

Postby Danno » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:58 pm

Seems I was just wishing him Happy Birthday and now he's gone.

And in case anyone thinks Kenny Roberts or Freddie Spencer or (God Forbid) Marc Marquez inventing hanging off;

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Re: R.I.P. John Surtees

Postby Paul W » Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:56 am

A true gentleman and great ambassador for the sport sadly now gone. World Champion on 2 and 4 wheels we will never see the likes of again.

R I P John Surtees.
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Re: R.I.P. John Surtees

Postby Bernhard » Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:33 am

A great man, they don’t build them like that anymore, may he R.I. P.

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Re: R.I.P. John Surtees

Postby BillT » Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:41 pm

Indeed, his accomplishments will never be repeated. RIP John Surtees, a good man and a great ambassador for motorsport.
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Re: R.I.P. John Surtees

Postby Bernhard » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:15 am

An hour long program on BBC4 tonight Monday 8 pm BST on Surtees racing life.

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Re: R.I.P. John Surtees

Postby nickguzzi » Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:10 am

Thanks Bernard, I don't have a tv so never look at listings, but can do the iPlayer thing.

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Re: R.I.P. John Surtees

Postby Fast Eddie » Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:59 pm

A proper hero for sure.

(BTW I think you'll find that the guy in the pic with his knee down on a Vin isn't Mr Surtees... I'm pretty sure that's Mark Forsyth who used to ride, and write, for Performance Bikes magazine. A top bloke indeed, but perhaps not quite in Johns league)!
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Re: R.I.P. John Surtees

Postby holtcorseaux » Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:45 pm

Bernhard thank you for that, i saw the doc and it was good.
To Nigel yes it is Mark Forsyth, PB Oct 88 the wrong information has been around since years now.
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Re: R.I.P. John Surtees

Postby Fast Eddie » Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:55 pm

holtcorseaux wrote:Bernhard thank you for that, i saw the doc and it was good.
To Nigel yes it is Mark Forsyth, PB Oct 88 the wrong information has been around since years now.
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Ha! That's the mag alright!

And what that picture makes me realise is just how good modern bikes are, the lean angle on the Vin looks nothing compared to that of modern sports bikes!
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Re: R.I.P. John Surtees

Postby acotrel » Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:58 pm

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Re: R.I.P. John Surtees

Postby acotrel » Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:29 pm

Thanks for the photo of Surtees(?) hanging off the Vincent. I will pass it to my Pommie mate who was a childhood friend of his.
I have some old movie of the guys racing at Winton back in the 60s when I rode regularly there. The bikes are going around the corners almost vertical. I used to hang off the bike because of the bad tyres. In the 70s, many of the guys had gum-ball tyres, and the angles of lean increased dramatically. Most of the 60s bikes had neutral steering, however the Manx was slightly self-steering. When you rode it, if you got in the shit it always felt better if you drove it a bit harder. When you compare those old bikes with moderns, it is chalk and cheese. Bike handling is not a continuum. You choose which way you want to go. If the bike has skinny tyres and the handling causes it to tighten it's line in corners, it will go around more vertical. Modern bikes cannot be set up to handle like that because of the much greater power they have. The quickest way around a corner is not necessarily maximum lean, big sticky tyres and stable handling. The only real advantage modern bikes have is in a straight line. When I practice, they are always there and I usually out ride them in tight corners.
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