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Re: DT head steady slop

Postby robs ss » Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:35 am

I suspect with photobucket (and others) you lose copyright as soon as you post
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Re: DT head steady slop

Postby L.A.B. » Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:50 am

robs ss wrote:I suspect with photobucket (and others) you lose copyright as soon as you post


In the terms of use, it states;
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Re: DT head steady slop

Postby DogT » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:20 am

I always figured anything I put on this interweb becomes compromised data, no matter the copyright. My wife was a pro photographer and she would find her stuff on the web all the time. Best she could do is threaten them, but unless you take legal action......

Here's the rest of what ludwig sent me. I suggest keeping them yourself if you want future access to them.


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And this is what he had to say about it.

"I must admit I have no idea how big the side load can be , so I made it pretty strong : the vertical piece is 5 mm (3/16") thick steel , the base plate 4 mm .SS end washers are 4 mm . the hole part is fully 3 dimensional .
I mesured the amplitude of the vibration at the head : about 2 mm , so a clearance of 3-4 mm between spacer and eye is enough .
To ensure perfect alignement , the 2 parts are tack welded in situ .
Lateral movement is controlled by the length of the spacer . I set it at 0.10 mm (.004") . I only use 2 bolts on the head . On bolt 3 is a spring preset at 20 kg (44lbs?) to take the weight off the front iso"

and a link to the britbike column if it's still good.
http://www.britbike.com/forums/ubbthrea ... 352&page=1
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Re: DT head steady slop

Postby nortonspeed » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:03 am

Thanks DogT for posting that info.
As far as I can see from Ludwigs drawings the central bolt (into the frame cross tube) is thicker than original 5/16" Is it neccesary to use a thicker 3/8" bolt or will the original size 5/16" bolt be strong enough so you can use the existing 5/16" thread in the cross tube :?: Maybe Kerinorton could chime in as he already uses this headsteady on both his Commandos :wink:
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Re: DT head steady slop

Postby 1up3down » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:16 am

I had the dave taylor for about 7 years and compared to the stocker it was an immediate improvement in stability

although I had no problems with it I did buy the CNW head steady when it first came out simply because it looked much more robust

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Re: DT head steady slop

Postby DogT » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:49 am

I'm not sure what size ludwig's central bolt (stud?) was. I never went anywhere with it, it was easier for me to make the Mike Taglieri HS from aluminum and heim/rose/joint end joints. But ludwig's sure looks simple if you can fabricate metal. If I had unlimited money, I'd get the CNW one.
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Re: DT head steady slop

Postby cliffa » Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:14 am

I just Googled "Ludwig head steady" and found these though strangely if you select "go to page" to see a larger image they are the usual dead Photobucket links. Anyway they will help visualize Ludwig's very simple creation.



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Re: DT head steady slop

Postby DogT » Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:06 pm

That looks like a different version of the PR HS than the one ludwig sent me. Wonder where that one came from, looks like it doesn't go through the frame, not that it needs to?
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Re: DT head steady slop

Postby cliffa » Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:09 pm

DogT wrote:That looks like a different version of the PR HS than the one ludwig sent me. Wonder where that one came from, looks like it doesn't go through the frame, not that it needs to?


Actually DogT you are right. Looking more closely at the original drawings you have and the text from Ludwig where the components are mostly always in the singular it looks like his was a "single sided" head steady, and actually pretty (very) simple to make. He used only two bolts into the head and the third was used for a spring a-la Mk3 to lift weight off the front ISO. I might try and make a mock up if I get time, unless you have some more pics?

Ludwig is a very Clever guy !! why doesn't he post on here any more?

I've already done his caliper piston mod, (well worth doing) and would love to see some more of his pics back on here if anybody has some, but err - ideally not hosted on photo*uckit though !!!

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Re: DT head steady slop

Postby cliffa » Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:26 pm

cliffa wrote:I just Googled "Ludwig head steady" and found these though strangely if you select "go to page" to see a larger image they are the usual dead Photobucket links. Anyway they will help visualize Ludwig's very simple creation.



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Actually I think this was made by jaydee75.

Clever too !!

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Re: DT head steady slop

Postby DogT » Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:20 pm

Yeah, that was my take, that ludwig's HS was one sided. That's all I've got of the HS, I may have some more if his stuff, but not much, it's all disappeared now. I think he got fed up with the forum, he was way ahead of most of us and could get pretty rude about it. I'm surprised he sent me what he did. He told me once 'if you don't have a full machine shop you have no business owning a Norton'. I think he's gone from the Britbike forum too, I haven't been there in a long time.
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Re: DT head steady slop

Postby cliffa » Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:52 pm

Actually, looking at your earlier post this photo makes it pretty clear...

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But i wonder what the steel rod clamped to it is doing?

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Re: DT head steady slop

Postby DogT » Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:40 pm

Ground bar? He wouldn't have used it if it didn't have a use. I think he had his bike under 400 lb. I liked his chain adjuster setup, but it requires a lot of tool making.
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Re: DT head steady slop

Postby nortonspeed » Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:57 am

cash wrote:Well I'm not sure what RGM are using but the original rose joints fitted in 2001/2 are still doing fine on my Mk3 850. They've covered at the very least 25000 miles. Dave


It took me a couple of days wondering how on earth you could possibly cover at the very least 25000 miles with these small open ball joints :?
............ until I finally understood "cash" = Dave Taylor :idea: :mrgreen:
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Re: DT head steady slop

Postby ludwig » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:48 am

DogT wrote:Y.. I think he got fed up with the forum, he was way ahead of most of us and could get pretty rude about it. I'm surprised he sent me what he did. He told me once 'if you don't have a full machine shop you have no business owning a Norton'..


DogT :
That is all nonsense .
I am still a regular visitor , but don't post because I feel all has been said .
Most threads are just a repeat .
For ex , there must be dozens of headsteady threads like this one .

cliffa :
Don't know how Google came up with it , but those are certainly not my pics .
My headsteady looks like this :

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The rod helps support the carbs :

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