Getting a trite miffed at Mr. Murphy and his bollox law!

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Getting a trite miffed at Mr. Murphy and his bollox law!

Postby chapmanmd » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:55 pm

Many of you guys know about the seemingly never-ending display of Murphy's Law in action that has resulted in Mr. Murphy's right foot being planted in my mighty arse,

Sorry... Need to vent.

Ok, motor back together fine. (Different cases, crank, rods, pistons, guides,valves, etc... but at least I could use the barrels and the RH4 head!

I digress...

Things were moving along swimmingly and it was time to get the frame/cradle/swinger, etc over to Mr. Sandblaster. Well, after the frame gets picked up, we get to looking... we should've perhaps tossed a pint or three instead. Does anyone besides me see anything in this picture that would cause you to want to grab a plasma cutter and cut this frame into many little pieces so that it could never be used as a motorcycle frame again? Ok, maybe a little dramatic, but still not pretty. Tell me what you think of that top tube...

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Anyone have a post-combat/pre-MK!!! frame that is actually useable that they may want to get rid of? A title would be the tits, but I'll take what I can get.

Cheers/Slainte.
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Re: Getting a trite miffed at Mr. Murphy and his bollox law!

Postby Diablouph » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:29 pm

Why would you need to do that? Looks like someone did a first rate job already. Although, the cuts look more like a hacksaw was used. I am sure the frame is still absolutely in perfect alignment.
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Re: Getting a trite miffed at Mr. Murphy and his bollox law!

Postby AussieCombat » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:29 pm

You sound like you have a sence of humour, even if it is draining away....
Did Paul senior do that one at OCC.
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Re: Getting a trite miffed at Mr. Murphy and his bollox law!

Postby Diablouph » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:23 pm

While alignment is important, I would be even more concerned that the welding job was done properly. I would also want to know why it was done at all. If no other damage is seen, why was it done? Does the frame have the same length, head angle, tank mounts, as stock? Could someone have started a chopper or rat and then reverted back to stock?
Maybe the bike was hit by lightning.
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Re: Getting a trite miffed at Mr. Murphy and his bollox law!

Postby chapmanmd » Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:25 am

I am really doing my best to keep my sense of humour...

Yeah, I think the previous idiot that owned the bike tried to make a chopper or a grocery cart, or something other than a motorcycle out of this thing. I am not generally one to complain about sellers, but this guy I bought this bike from on evilBay really needs to be ashamed of himself, but no one should be more ashamed than me for buying this piece of ...

Anyone have a GOOD frame for sale? No "project" or "special needs" frames please. Title preferred....
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Re: Getting a trite miffed at Mr. Murphy and his bollox law!

Postby Bernhard » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:16 am

chapmanmd wrote:I am really doing my best to keep my sense of humour...

Yeah, I think the previous idiot that owned the bike tried to make a chopper or a grocery cart, or something other than a motorcycle out of this thing. I am not generally one to complain about sellers, but this guy I bought this bike from on evilBay really needs to be ashamed of himself, but no one should be more ashamed than me for buying this piece of ...

Anyone have a GOOD frame for sale? No "project" or "special needs" frames please. Title preferred....



So sorry you have been caught out, this is one of the risks in buying bikes/goods on evilBay.
Just by looking at the photos is impossible to confirm if the frame is fit for purpose, you really need an expert opinion from someone like a chassis repairer or a frame builder.
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Re: Getting a trite miffed at Mr. Murphy and his bollox law!

Postby DogT » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:25 am

Why do you need a title with a new frame? Unless the number is stamped on it. Aren't most numbers stamped on the plate, and if you transferred the plate who would know?

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Re: Getting a trite miffed at Mr. Murphy and his bollox law!

Postby chapmanmd » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:32 am

I can look at it and see significant voids in the welds and such. This frame isn't fit to be used as a boat anchor in my opinion. This frame is very likely to get someone killed if used and it sure as hell isn't going to be me.

Live and learn on the eBay thing...

I don't necessarily need the title... just a wish list item I guess and as long as I'm being greedy...
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Re: Getting a trite miffed at Mr. Murphy and his bollox law!

Postby swooshdave » Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:56 am

If your bad frame is titled you're fine.

Just get a replacement frame and transfer the VIN plate.
You probably want to go into town, and find a up to date Jap Bike store,
With a full spares department, a clean workshop, and kean young mechanics.
And ask them if theres a Grumpy Old Bloke out in the Hills, who knows how to fix Real Motorcycles.

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Re: Getting a trite miffed at Mr. Murphy and his bollox law!

Postby chapmanmd » Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:58 am

Now to find a replacement frame...
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Re: Getting a trite miffed at Mr. Murphy and his bollox law!

Postby bwolfie » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:11 am

My spare frame has knackered down tubes and is missing the steering head tube. If worse came to worse, yours and mine could make 1 good frame, but would be some work.
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Re: Getting a trite miffed at Mr. Murphy and his bollox law!

Postby john robert bould » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:01 am

chapmanmd wrote:Many of you guys know about the seemingly never-ending display of Murphy's Law in action that has resulted in Mr. Murphy's right foot being planted in my mighty arse,

Sorry... Need to vent.

Ok, motor back together fine. (Different cases, crank, rods, pistons, guides,valves, etc... but at least I could use the barrels and the RH4 head!

I digress...

Things were moving along swimmingly and it was time to get the frame/cradle/swinger, etc over to Mr. Sandblaster. Well, after the frame gets picked up, we get to looking... we should've perhaps tossed a pint or three instead. Does anyone besides me see anything in this picture that would cause you to want to grab a plasma cutter and cut this frame into many little pieces so that it could never be used as a motorcycle frame again? Ok, maybe a little dramatic, but still not pretty. Tell me what you think of that top tube...

Image

Anyone have a post-combat/pre-MK!!! frame that is actually useable that they may want to get rid of? A title would be the tits, but I'll take what I can get.

Cheers/Slainte.


You are right, this as been raked for a custom thingy.
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Re: Getting a trite miffed at Mr. Murphy and his bollox law!

Postby chapmanmd » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:23 am

I have had a couple of PM's over the past couple of months from folks asking if I have given up. That answer is a resounding no. Maybe two more weeks should see this bike back on the road. Some current pics...


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It's been a long, expensive winter. I'll post more pics in the next couple of weeks when it goes for its maiden voyage.
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Re: Getting a trite miffed at Mr. Murphy and his bollox law!

Postby swooshdave » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:44 am

You've been busy!
You probably want to go into town, and find a up to date Jap Bike store,
With a full spares department, a clean workshop, and kean young mechanics.
And ask them if theres a Grumpy Old Bloke out in the Hills, who knows how to fix Real Motorcycles.

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Re: Getting a trite miffed at Mr. Murphy and his bollox law!

Postby mechanic matt » Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:56 am

I bought a 1974 850 Roadster about nine years ago. The previous owner wasn't much of a mechanic but I knew the reputation of the builder. It didn't matter, I ran into the same frame situation as yours. The welds were of good quality but the neck had evidence of being raked for a chopper then put back to stock angle. The plan was to replace the frame as soon as the bike was mechanically sorted out. Well, I'm still using the Frankenstein frame. In fact, this Norton handles better that all my other ones. I realize there are many factors that make a bike handle well (even more so with a Commando). I just suggest not giving up until a test ride (after a little re-welding work).
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