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Re: US election poll

Postby xbacksideslider » Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:53 pm

http://victorhanson.com/wordpress/the-a ... ald-trump/

There's truth there. If you can stand it.
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Re: US election poll

Postby Rohan » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:40 pm

Flowery language...

The proof of all this is going to be in the eating, isn't it.
Mr Trump is yet to prove himself in the real world...

If in 4 or 8 years, and the USA has prospered, then some folks are going to eat humble pie - or is that crow.
As Mr Obama put it, not sure I can quote his actual words, Mr Trump HAS to be a success as Prez,
the USA is depending on him.

But, putting most policies into full reverse is a hell of a gamble/experiment !!

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Re: US election poll

Postby xbacksideslider » Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:43 am

Agree with what you say, going to ultimate outcome. Time will tell.

As for "flowery language;" that's an evasion.
What is your response to what Hanson said?
Not to all of it, it's a long piece. Still there's food for thought in there.
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Re: US election poll

Postby acotrel » Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:10 pm

I have great disdain for big-mouthed con -men such as Trump. However I suspect his attitude towards China might be the correct one. These days in Australian capital cities the number of unemployed homeless people seems to increasing in proportion to the number of shipping containers arriving at our ports. Out government intends to cut the corporate tax rate to stimulate our economy. Perhaps a better approach might be to cut the rate for manufacturing industries, but increase it for the retail sector which these days sells mainly imported goods ?
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Re: US election poll

Postby Rohan » Sat Dec 31, 2016 3:08 pm

acotrel wrote:big-mouthed con -men such as Trump.


The commentators, independent ones that is, were saying that Trump was simply telling the voters what they wanted to hear. The mere fact that he told different sets of voters differing things didn't seem to alarm anyone !
Does that actually make him a 'con-man' ?

As more than a few have pointed out too, having policies that can actually solve any of this stuff is going to be the tricky bit. Very little of what he said seemed to have any substance, so what he will deliver is going to be anyones guess, and interesting to watch.

Remember, The Simpsons some years back had an episode where maggie (was it ?) had to be elected Prez, to solve the mess left behind by Prez Trump. Strange - but true ??

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Re: US election poll

Postby xbacksideslider » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:36 pm

Glenn Greenwald on Fake News - Now the MSM Hates Him

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/04/was ... -deceived/

Greenwald, as you likely know, is/was regarded as a hero of the Left; he is noted for his support of Snowdon, the source for the NSA surveillance scandal; he reported on Valerie Plame and her husband CIA analyst Wilson and their take downs of Scooter Libby/Cheney/Bush over yellowcake and WMD; he is gay and in a bi-racial marriage but it turns out that what he really cares about is truth and, so, lately he is a heretic, calling out the MSM for its own "fake news."

A good read.
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Re: US election poll

Postby frankdamp » Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:59 pm

Unfortunately, the method by which we choose Presidential candidates has no visibility. Who the hell thought either Trump or Hillary Clinton would be acceptable? As an outsider (a Brit) I don't have a horse in this race, but I sure as hell don't like The Donald as Pres., and I wouldn't have voted for Hillary either, if I'd had the opportunity.

In some voting jurisdictions, there's a line after the candidate listings that reads "None of the above". If "none of the above" gets the majority vote the election has to be re-run with none of the original candidates being eligible.
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Re: US election poll

Postby Matt Spencer » Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:50 pm

John Q. Adams Won Presidency With 31% Of Vote in 1824—In My Darker Moments About Democracy, This Warms My Heart

In the famous “corrupt bargain” election of 1824, John Quincy Adams won the election even though he won only 30.9% of the popular vote.

This is the Texas Liberal Election Fact of the Day.

In a four-way race, Mr. Adams (photo above) finished second to Andrew Jackson in the popular vote total.

Final popular results were Mr. Jackson of Tennessee 41%, Mr. Adams of Massachusetts 31%, Henry Clay of Kentucky 13%, and William Crawford of Georgia 11%.

31% is the lowest popular percentage ever received by a successful candidate for the Presidency.

Because no candidate won a majority of the electoral college, the race went to the House of Representatives. ( Here is information about the Electoral College including what happens when no candidate wins an electoral vote majority.)

In the House, Mr. Jackson’s arch-rival, Henry Clay, gave his support to Mr. Adams. This allowed Mr. Adams to win the election in the House. Mr. Clay was subsequently selected by Mr. Adams to serve as Secretary of State. The position of Secretary of State was seen then as a stepping stone to the Presidency.

The charge was made, denied by both President Adams and Secretary Clay of a “Corrupt Bargain.” The allegation was that a deal had been cut exchanging Mr. Clay’s support for the Secreatry of State’s office.

Corrupt Bargain or not, Andrew Jackson easily defeated President Adams in 1828 by a margin 0f 56%-44%.

Some days, when I am down on the people, I take a small measure of satisfaction from this 31% President. He made all those Indian-hating, slave-keeping Jacksonians wait another four years.

Abe Lincoln won the White House with 39.9% of the vote in his 1860 four-way race. Mr. Lincoln ,however, won enough electoral votes on Election Day. Mr. Lincoln’s total is the second lowest percentage total for a winning candidate.

I believe in democracy, but sometimes, as we all realize, the majority gets it wrong.


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Re: US election poll

Postby acotrel » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:09 am

I have to laugh, some rednecks in Australia vote for Pauline Hanson who has similar politics to Trump. Trump is shooting his mouth off about China which is Australia's major trading partner while Australia's major defence agreement is with the US. Perhaps some people should take a step backwards and review their own situation ?
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Re: US election poll

Postby Matt Spencer » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:35 am

Im sure we'd all be a lot better off , If ALL Politions had to use motorcycles as Transport ,
theyed be Quicker Witted , more sure footed , faster to react correctly , and never complacent .
And we'd save a foirtune on pensions , on those that couldnt cut it . :D
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