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Re: Donald Trump and Rupert Murdoch

Postby frankdamp » Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:15 am

Why would the outgoing president be interested in one of the candidates to take over his job? If anyone was hacking Trump (which I doubt ever happened) , it would be the meddling Russians.
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Re: Donald Trump and Rupert Murdoch

Postby Rohan » Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:13 pm

As mentioned about, its the NSA ya gotta watch ! (or vice versa).

They have a budget of $billions, many $billions, to spy on folks.
And the 'discussion' about who they can and can't spy on happened donkeys years ago...
Wouldn't be surprised if they knew what brand of toilet paper the Trump uses, and how many sheets....

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Re: Donald Trump and Rupert Murdoch

Postby Danno » Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:05 am

Another day, another unsubstantiated lie to distract attention from the last lie. More taxpayer money spent on a phony witch hunt. Mrs. Putin had better get his $#!+ together soon.

When the guy with his finger on the nuclear button is more concerned with Arnold's ratings and ivanka's clothing line than what North Korea is up to.......

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Re: Donald Trump and Rupert Murdoch

Postby xbacksideslider » Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:01 pm

Honestly, the whole thing is, as they say, rich.

"The Russians are coming, The Russians are coming, The Russians are coming"
Ooooo - "they're under the bed too! I saw one, under the bed!"

It's a circle jerk. Dems screaming about some NYTs story that cites "unnamed, highly placed, confidential sources" which say "Trump was communicating with the Russians,"

How do they know? Well, "there are transcripts. He was under surveillance/tapped."
Ooooooh, that's proof!!!! Can you show us? "No, the transcripts are secret, dontchaknow."
"Remember, I'm an unnamed, highly place, confidential source . . . and I know because I used to work for Obama"
"Oh, OK," says the MSM whore . . . "good enough for me - Trump's in it with the Russians!"
What tools.

Then Trump says "I was tapped by Obama - Watergate II."
Full freak out from the MSM - "He has no proof!"

He does not have to have proof - IT IS IN THEIR OWN STORIES.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Back on you. Turnabout is fair play. Get it?

WHAT?! is the screech from the Dems - Not another Watergate?!?!?! By us?
Oh shit, we better back up!

So Trumps hangs 'em from their own sky hook.
Hillarious. Misspelling and pun intended.



And, yes, Rohan, not just the NSA but the Deep State generally is a huge threat to what is left of our free society.
Anyone who says "Didn't happen if there wasn't a warrant" is naïve or dishonest.
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Re: Donald Trump and Rupert Murdoch

Postby Danno » Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:01 pm

Lie of the Day: Obama responsible for the release of 122 prisoners from Guantanamo. Reality; Obama responsible for the release of 9. The other 113 were released by W.

Yesterday's lie; Acts and attempted acts of "Islamic Terrorism" were perpetrated by foreigners sneaking into the US. Reality: A majority of these acts and attempts were perpetrated by American citizens who were here legally

The Weekend Lie: Obama tapped the phones at Trump Tower during the election. Reality; Didn't happen.

This guy wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on the ass.

North Korea is lobbing missiles into the Sea of japan that, if launched from their East coast, could actually reach japan.

Wikileaks (that laugh-a-minute outfit our President has professed love for) has just exposed CIA software in a case that's being called "The CIA's Snowden" risking the lives of thousands of American intelligence officers and completely compromising countermeasures being used against foreign cyber attacks.

But we sure are deporting lots of Mexicans.

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Re: Donald Trump and Rupert Murdoch

Postby Danno » Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:07 pm

xbacksideslider wrote:Honestly, the whole thing is, as they say, rich.

"The Russians are coming, The Russians are coming, The Russians are coming"
Ooooo - "they're under the bed too! I saw one, under the bed!"

It's a circle jerk. Dems screaming about some NYTs story that cites "unnamed, highly placed, confidential sources" which say "Trump was communicating with the Russians,"

How do they know? Well, "there are transcripts. He was under surveillance/tapped."
Ooooooh, that's proof!!!! Can you show us? "No, the transcripts are secret, dontchaknow."
"Remember, I'm an unnamed, highly place, confidential source . . . and I know because I used to work for Obama"
"Oh, OK," says the MSM whore . . . "good enough for me - Trump's in it with the Russians!"
What tools.

Then Trump says "I was tapped by Obama - Watergate II."
Full freak out from the MSM - "He has no proof!"

He does not have to have proof - IT IS IN THEIR OWN STORIES.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Back on you. Turnabout is fair play. Get it?

WHAT?! is the screech from the Dems - Not another Watergate?!?!?! By us?
Oh shit, we better back up!

So Trumps hangs 'em from their own sky hook.
Hillarious. Misspelling and pun intended.

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Tell me, Mr. Liberty, if the CIA tapped Russian phones and Trump and his minions were on the other end of the lines, is it really so hilarious? More like pathetic.

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Re: Donald Trump and Rupert Murdoch

Postby acotrel » Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:21 pm

There is always one underlying 'FACT' which supersedes all others. All 'FACTS' are based on PROBABILITY. If you are a 'believer' you have a problem.
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Re: Donald Trump and Rupert Murdoch

Postby BLIGHTYBRIT/SF » Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:27 am

Both very powerful guy,s for sure,Mr Murdoch certainly played his part in Brexit ,his "The Sun " daily newspaper sells around 2 million a day,its in pubs & coffee bars etc,so more than 2 million see it, his " Sunday Times " paper is one of the largest, both papers had heavy headlines to leave in the run up to the vote, the public never really saw it coming,it was like 51.9 % to leave, after brexit the pound lost up to 20% in value to the dollar & euro,some people made cash there I bet.
As for phone hacking saga in UK, it was a bit like the law in handling stolen good,s, your not guilty if you handle & sell stolen goods if you don't know their stolen in the first place, you plead nievity , so all the papers conveniently forgot or chose to forget where there stories came from ,claiming rogue freelance journalists were to blame,all the editors & owners knew what was happening,a way of life & the norm, right up until the " Milly Dowler" incident, Phone hacking at its absolute worst ,listening to voicemails of a poor missing child was a step too far,breathtaking in their own their own temerity the press behaviour was as low as you can get .
Phone hacking was incredibly easy in late nineties,Nokia phones had a default security code of 0000, so u could listen to someone's voice mail by ringing their number ,let it go to voice mail,key # 0000 and your in ????? .
I understand the American people wanting a change & so did we in the UK, newspapers sell news , circulation is up & subscriptions have never been higher, "There all in it together " quote there from Glen Mulcaire

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Re: Donald Trump and Rupert Murdoch

Postby motorson » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:35 pm

Trump is playing the media like a fiddle. All he has to do is say one thing to piss them off and you can tune into any media source with a "C" in it's name and listen to all of them saying the same things and using the same phrases as all the other "C" outlets. (abc, cbs, nbc, cnn, msnbc) Two years ago my son came home and asked me, "What do you think is really going on while we are all talking about under inflated footballs?" I don't think I have to know what IS true in order to know that what "they" are all saying is NOT true!
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Re: Donald Trump and Rupert Murdoch

Postby xbacksideslider » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:56 am

motorson wrote:Trump is playing the media like a fiddle. All he has to do is say one thing to piss them off and you can tune into any media source with a "C" in it's name and listen to all of them saying the same things and using the same phrases as all the other "C" outlets. (abc, cbs, nbc, cnn, msnbc) Two years ago my son came home and asked me, "What do you think is really going on while we are all talking about under inflated footballs?" I don't think I have to know what IS true in order to know that what "they" are all saying is NOT true!


Well said, and your son is a sharp kid.

It's amazing to me how so many people naively think they are well informed just because they "read the paper" or "watch the news," or - worst of all - they "went to college;" and then these uncritical dupes follow their Pied Pipers to the polls.
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Re: Donald Trump and Rupert Murdoch

Postby Rohan » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:46 pm

xbacksideslider wrote: and then these uncritical dupes follow their Pied Pipers to the polls.


The jury is still out on that one - lets see how the economy is shaping in a year or 4 ?!

Also, boosting the military at the expense of everything else is not entirely always
a formula for financial good health.
Good for a select few stockholders though...

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Re: Donald Trump and Rupert Murdoch

Postby xbacksideslider » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:44 am

Rohan, I'm believe in the non-aggression principle and therefore I opposed U.S. imperialism. Our imperialism leads to misuse and overextension of the U.S. military. Our military should be used ONLY for national self defense. And, yes, I agree too that so called "defense spending" is too often corrupt as politicians and defense department bureaucrats are lobbied and bribed such that the weapons are often inadequate, inappropriate, and always overpriced. Further, we are in this situation because, as I said above, so many people naively think they are well informed just because they "read the paper" or "watch the news," or - worst of all - they "went to college."

The sad fact is that most of us are all brainwashed into supporting militarism and the imperial state. We are not the world's policeman and "helping" other nations is dangerous altruism.
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Re: Donald Trump and Rupert Murdoch

Postby acotrel » Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:35 pm

Read Tom Watson's book 'Dial M for Murdoch'. The biggest threat to western democracy is not the Russians. If politicians don't kow-tow to Murdoch, they don't get elected. In the UK, the whole political system was corrupted by phone hacking and the power it gave Murdoch. It even involved the police.
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Re: Donald Trump and Rupert Murdoch

Postby Rohan » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:00 pm

acotrel wrote: the whole political system was corrupted


As the Readers Digest quipped, many years ago now. In the future, folks will look back and say
"you allowed POLITICIANS to rule the world ?? "

As more than a few commentators have observed, so called 'democracy' these days in most places seems to have degenerated into an entirely corrupted slanging and points scoring match between 2 bitterly opposed factions.
And never the twain shall meet.

Which ain't how democracy was supposed to be, at all...

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Re: Donald Trump and Rupert Murdoch

Postby xbacksideslider » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:20 pm

acotrel wrote:Read Tom Watson's book 'Dial M for Murdoch'. The biggest threat to western democracy is not the Russians. If politicians don't kow-tow to Murdoch, they don't get elected. In the UK, the whole political system was corrupted by phone hacking and the power it gave Murdoch. It even involved the police.


Well . . . didn't read that book but I did read the Amazon squib and 4 or 5 reviews of it there.
Written by a Labor MP and I imagine that the co-author is a lefty ghost writer.

So -
Murdoch's people hacked British politicians' private phones and then published the sexy bits.
Wikileaks' source hacked American politicians' private emails and then published the sexy bits.

The sexy bits revealed dishonesty and corruption and that cost those politicians their careers.

Good.

Corrupt politicians were "outed" - that's bad?
That's a threat to Western democracy?

In both cases, the establishment lost - especially the mainstream media, jealous of its propaganda power.
Murdoch embarrassed them in Britain; Wikileaks did the same here.
I don't give a whit how they got the info so long as it "outs" corrupt public officials.
In fact, in addition to the 1st Amendment, there ought to be statutory immunity for it.

Murdoch wins because he feeds the Center-Right and the Right the food that the biased MSM refuses to serve.
That is why he grabs market share- Australia, Britain, and the U.S. - serving a market the establishment won't.
No wonder the biased MSM bashes Murdoch, they're desperate to discredit the competition.
If they offered the fare that so much of the public wants, they could beat him.
They won't; their bias runs so deep, they'd rather leave money on the table - for Murdoch to scoop up.
Besides, their personal and corporate incomes are guaranteed. They are "regulated" don't you know?
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