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Could he be related to our Hobot?

Postby Unclviny » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:24 pm

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Re: Could he be related to our Hobot?

Postby hobot » Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:17 pm

Hehe gosh don't I wish it was mine with those robust crash bars. Don't worry though me Mate's Ms Peel will have about as much suspension travel and sit as tall but will pack way more punch at weight less to give mud paddle tires a terror. Peels extra too long rear axle sticking out give mounts for mono shock ski track gizmo too.
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Re: Could he be related to our Hobot?

Postby batrider » Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:56 pm

There used to be a snowmobile attachment for the rear of Nortons which was sold thru ads in the back of the cycle magazines in the '70s. A wide ski in front. hobot you probably have a pic.
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Re: Could he be related to our Hobot?

Postby hobot » Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:44 pm

There used to be a snowmobile attachment for the rear of Nortons which was sold thru ads in the back of the cycle magazines in the '70s. A wide ski in front. hobot you probably have a pic.



SAY WHAT! No Way? I'd never heard to that after market feature, dang now I'll lose more sleep picturing how that might work out...
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Re: Could he be related to our Hobot?

Postby bwolfie » Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:47 pm

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Re: Could he be related to our Hobot?

Postby willh » Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:51 pm

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Re: Could he be related to our Hobot?

Postby hobot » Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:19 am

Oh I am aware of two wheel conversions for snow just not a Norton specific one. I'm a poor simple guy so a big clunking snowmobile track is out of the question but a more minimalist version is in Peel's plan's. Wrap your minds on adapting this design to a C'do. That hill climb first run shows a phase 3 turn near the top to return for another run. That the same maneuver to a hook around a decrease'r switch back w/o power let off. It takes a spinning rear *in good thrust* traction with front straight steering to do it. If you ain't entered fast enough to crash like ordinary motorcycles then the spun rear just weather vanes down hill to keep front pointed up hill, not the way one wanted to go. Done right you can spiral a bike under power right into a snow angel. Done wrong they call it a wide slide low side crash.

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Do note I'm aiming a turn to the R here and doing it exactly opposite to lazy wide load relieving flat tracker way.
But snow don't relate well to road racing its more like dirt you can dig into, ice and THE Gravel do relate to wet pavement so I think ice spiked paddle tires are the funner way to go.
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Re: Could he be related to our Hobot?

Postby batrider » Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:36 pm

I'm not sure if it was Norton specific but the ad had a picture of a Norton Commando with it installed. If I get a chance I will go thru some of the old magazines I saved. Back then I used to get Cycle, Cycle World and Motorcylist.

I doubt it was a big seller - never saw or heard of any locally and back then I lived in New York State fingerlakes snow country. Even raced my old Rickman Zundapp 125 on the ice with special spiked screw heads screwed into the knobs on the tires.
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Re: Could he be related to our Hobot?

Postby hobot » Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:10 am

Whoa now, vintage 125's are most famous for their V tire profile to either be balanced full upright straight or flipped over fully into sharpest turn angle. Ice spiked tires can grip better than race tracks, so would appreciate your sense of fork aim and power use to get around a turn on that combo vs rubber on pavement? Oh yeah, did you learn anything about crashing doing it?
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Re: Could he be related to our Hobot?

Postby batrider » Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:50 pm

Did not crash. Leaned over way way farther than I ever could on the street or dirt. Not enough power to really hang out the back end like the flat trackers do. Could drag my knee. But was lapped by a 16 yo kid on a Can Am whose dad was an ice racer and the bike was set up nicely. Had much more power than me. There used to be a lot of this going on in the northern regions of upstate NY, AMA sanctioned. Had to rig up a set of points on the handlebars with dead man's kill switch like hill climbers do. Must have been 30 yrs ago.

This was something like the screws I used.... http://www.ebay.com/itm/ICE-RACING-SCRE ... es&vxp=mtr
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Re: Could he be related to our Hobot?

Postby hobot » Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:32 am

Thank you batrider I didn't catch your response till now but gave me a zing in the groin picturing your antics from my rocking chair. Don't we hate it when we get out spent and out gunned, wishing it was us instead : )

I don't know if the ice racers realize that they are straight steering in far over leans but I do as it happens to me on THE Gravel when not hardly any traction to lean. I find if I can let the bike sort of half crash/half fall over on its own the front just tracks straight steering automatically. The wierd part is steering transitions back and froth as speed and traction conditions change. I most just let forks do as they like with me only dampening the kick backs of the transitions. Some times I grab and lock forks in one angle and just hang on till the sliding and bouncing stops so bike finally follows the fork aim...
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Re: Could he be related to our Hobot?

Postby Matt Spencer » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:52 pm

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Re: Could he be related to our Hobot?

Postby Matt Spencer » Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:38 am

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Re: Could he be related to our Hobot?

Postby hobot » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:44 pm

hobot only never H'd. Don't worry Ms Peel will eventually get 3rd wheel powered rear'd. Wife flat refuses to ever ride on back of my cycles but enjoyed slowish tour off road on 250 scooter. Deer can and do enter truck and car cabins via the windshields. Sidecar crash cage is working out btw.
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Re: Could he be related to our Hobot?

Postby hobot » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:45 pm

hobot only never H'd. Don't worry Ms Peel will eventually get 3rd wheel powered rear'd. Wife flat refuses to ever ride on back of my cycles but enjoyed slowish tour off road on 250 scooter. Deer can and do enter truck and car cabins via the windshields. Sidecar crash cage is working out btw.
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