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Cosworth Norton?

Postby Carbonfibre » Sat Jan 29, 2011 3:10 am

Interesting article in this months CB on the Cosworth Norton. Seems to be a very good example of the reasons why using adapted car engine designs for bike motors, isnt that good an idea. Real shame though, as a powerful light, modern, twin cylinder motor, in the early 70's may well have saved Norton from going down the tubes!
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Re: Cosworth Norton?

Postby mglemans » Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:09 pm

The Harley VR1000 engine was developed in conjunction with Porche. It still blewup every race (must have been the Harley bits) It's now the V-Rod. The auto guys are always leading edge but it trickles down, thank you F1 but don't know if I want an 18k RPM poppet valve Norton though. Saw the Cosworth at the 82 USNOA Down East Rally in 82 belonging to Team Obsolete http://www.khulsey.com/motorcycles/_nor ... racer.html.
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Re: Cosworth Norton?

Postby Rohan » Wed May 04, 2011 11:48 pm

Just for the record, there was no Porsche involvement in the VR1000 bike. And no Harley bits either. It started as getting Nascar and Indycar folk getting 2 cylinders of a V8 into a racebike. All on a very limited budget, by all accounts. Apparently late in the day, Cosworth was involved - but that limited budget killed it off.

Porsche subsequently did the V-Rod design and development - successfully, as you would expect of Porsche. Anyone seen any $$ quoted as the contracted price ?

Hopethishelps.
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Re: Cosworth Norton?

Postby Matt Spencer » Wed May 11, 2011 2:11 am

What you need is two cylinders from a Bristol Centaurus Engine , if youre looking at a Twin . :lol:
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Re: Cosworth Norton?

Postby Rohan » Thu May 12, 2011 4:19 pm

Matt Spencer wrote:What you need is two cylinders from a Bristol Centaurus Engine ,


There is actually something along those lines out there - BIG is the word that comes to mind.
Search for Gunbus.
http://thekneeslider.com/images/gunbus-1.jpg

Someone locally did 2 cylinders off a Merlin engine quite a while back - 'simply' cut from the back of the motor. = DOHC 4 valves per cylinder watercooled, ~5 litres v-twin.

With a 2 speed gearbox and framed with something suitable, it could turn some fairly fast times over the 1/4. Corners were not to its liking, we gather....

Makes you wonder what these guys with the VR1000 and Cosworth were doing.... ?
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Re: Cosworth Norton?

Postby Matt Spencer » Tue May 24, 2011 8:57 pm

tied up in technicalities most likely . To methodical to see clearly ? ?

Stood in front of The R/R Merlin twin in motorcyle museum in Qld and then went and asked at counter ' where is it ' .
Was sitting on floor or stand , and the supercharger and carb were disproportionate, was looking for a ' HUGE ' engine.

At 6in x 6 in ( or is one 5 1/2) it seemed no bigger than a FLX or whatever the Evo Harleys are, as its O.H.C. without
the Harleys massive rocker covers. 2 1/2 litres a pot or 27 / 12 = something.

Bristol Centaurus would be about 4 litres Ea. , Hercules about 2 1/2 Ea. Though their SLEEVE VALVE , so would be as
short as a Two Stroke .
:P :wink:
Also if youve heard a Hawker Sea Fury , We could do away with the muffler . :shock:
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Re: Cosworth Norton?

Postby Rohan » Tue May 24, 2011 10:00 pm

Being watercooled means the lack of fins on Merlin V-twin make it look quite small.
Very compact design too.

Did you check out the Gunbus V2 ? That thing is a monster.

Finding/making the mechanism for a sleeve valve v-2 engine may not be too simple. ?

I have heard a Sea Fury, as it happens. One flew over a few years back, very high - I was drawn to the enormous sound from what looked rather like a Spit in profile. On its way to an airshow, I later found...
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