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Re: Chinese Norton 650s?

Postby grandpaul » Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:14 am

I REALLY don't see how hardly gets away with the "Made in the USA" lie, when Maglite can't use "made in the USA" due to a $0.14 o-ring made in Thailand.

It's the sort of stuff that I'm sure pushes psychopaths to murder (or attempt to murder) politicians over here.
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Re: Chinese Norton 650s?

Postby BritTwit » Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:21 am

Hate to sound like an echo, but has anyone actually seen even a conceptual image of the new Norton 650 prototype?
Is it a sport bike, modern classic, cruiser, UJM, adventure/dual purpose bike, or what?
Stats? HP/Torque, weight, price?
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Re: Chinese Norton 650s?

Postby acotrel » Sun Jul 30, 2017 2:32 pm

People who buy Nortons because they are British-made are becoming an extinct species. I quite like the Indian Enfield sports bike with the Harris frame, however they seem too expensive for the quality level they represent. The thing about Asian-manufactured motors, is that they are usually copies of designs which are not highly stressed. I have a friend who works in a Honda dealership. People who go there trying to buy bits to fix Chinese motors etc. drive him crazy. The BMW-built Mini Minor looks excellent.
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Re: Chinese Norton 650s?

Postby frankdamp » Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:53 am

Peter:

Your daughter's car is called a "Mini" but it isn't a real one, for which you should be thankful. The original Mini's were very clever overall designs but very poor build quality. Several friends got new ones and had terrible problems. Engines rarely lasted more than 30,000 miles and transmissions even less. Interiors were very crude - no door panels - just paint on the inside of the door skin. No instrument panel -just a speedometer with a gas gauge built in, mounted to the center of a front transverse shelf (same location for both left and right hand drive!)
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Re: Chinese Norton 650s?

Postby BritTwit » Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:31 am

Ha! You find the strangest things sometimes.

http://www.cyclenews.com/2016/08/articl ... -650-twin/
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Re: Chinese Norton 650s?

Postby acotrel » Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:33 pm

'The biggest thing to my mind with our 650 twin will be throttle response. I want a bike that’s really light and really small, that can ride around the outside of everything on a track day and then clear off down the straights as well. We need something that operates really well on the edge of the tire and with a small throttle input, and we’ve worked so hard on our TT race bike to get that control that we’re looking forward to feeding this development back into the new 1200 V4 and 650 twin customer projects as well.”

If it is really light and handles well, why would you ride it around the outside in corners, rather than make it turn quicker and more upright, so you can get on the gas earlier ?
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Re: Chinese Norton 650s?

Postby BritTwit » Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:42 pm

Well Garner is not a racer first of all, so he wouldn’t be aware of proper race tactics/techniques.
He was just implying that the bike will be so maneuverable and quick that it will just simply be able to go around anything slower that is in its way.
If he really still intends to build a supercharged 650 twin this could be worth waiting for; Lightweight, maneuverable, over 100 HP, hopefully a better EFI system that the 961 has, attractive styling…..
God only knows what the price tag would be for such a Norton.
He’s piqued my interest though.
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Re: Chinese Norton 650s?

Postby worntorn » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:19 pm

Im pretty sure that entire concept as well as current styling of the Norton 961 came from the mind of an American Farrier/ backyard mechanic , so is it British or American?
Does it matter?

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Re: Chinese Norton 650s?

Postby BritTwit » Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:02 pm

worntorn wrote:Im pretty sure that entire concept as well as current styling of the Norton 961 came from the mind of an American Farrier/ backyard mechanic , so is it British or American?
Does it matter?

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Re: Chinese Norton 650s?

Postby Bernhard » Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:59 am

"The engine is designed to be cheap and mass-produced, with use only in the Asian region or perhaps South America… This engine and bike are not coming to Europe.”

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2017 ... db3d709c57

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Re: Chinese Norton 650s?

Postby texasSlick » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:57 am

Bernhard wrote:"The engine is designed to be cheap and mass-produced, with use only in the Asian region or perhaps South America… This engine and bike are not coming to Europe.”

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2017 ... db3d709c57


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Re: Chinese Norton 650s?

Postby cehenard » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:57 am

I just read on MotorcycleDaily.com that "Yesterday Triumph Motorcycles UK and Bajaj Auto India announced a "global partnership" to develop "mid-capacity" motorcycles drawing on the strengths of both entities." Gotta face it, "the good ol' days are dead and gone" (John Hartford).
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Re: Chinese Norton 650s?

Postby acotrel » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:51 pm

I don't care about the American influence in the 961 Norton. The best engineered motorcycle I ever owned was a WD Indian Scout. It was actually very good, even if it did nothing. And the metallurgy was not to be sneezed at. I think many of the early Fords also had decent alloy steel components. I think a close look at the Chinese stuff might find them lacking in that department. I cannot see them putting the intellectual effort into getting the detail right.
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Re: Chinese Norton 650s?

Postby acotrel » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:57 pm

cehenard wrote:I just read on MotorcycleDaily.com that "Yesterday Triumph Motorcycles UK and Bajaj Auto India announced a "global partnership" to develop "mid-capacity" motorcycles drawing on the strengths of both entities." Gotta face it, "the good ol' days are dead and gone" (John Hartford).
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What amazes me is that nobody has tried building an Aermacchi-type road racer with the 125cc Chinese pit bike motors. The amount of hot-up bits you can get for them is astounding. Takegawa even supply DOHC 4-valve heads for them and 6 speed gear-boxes. In the old days an MV Bialbero 125 was a pretty slick bike.
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Re: Chinese Norton 650s?

Postby grandpaul » Sat Aug 26, 2017 6:50 am

acotrel wrote:What amazes me is that nobody has tried building an Aermacchi-type road racer with the 125cc Chinese pit bike motors. The amount of hot-up bits you can get for them is astounding. Takegawa even supply DOHC 4-valve heads for them and 6 speed gear-boxes. In the old days an MV Bialbero 125 was a pretty slick bike.

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