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67 BSA Victor - just got my latest Project

67 BSA Victor - just got my latest Project

Postby Mark » Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:53 pm

Oh Lord! Here we go again!
That's what my woman said when she walked out of the house and saw my new pile of parts.

I got it for FREE from my neighbor who took it apart 25 years ago and never got around to putting it back together.
1967 BSA Victor 441 Enduro - numbers match (B44 EA661). I got the old title too!

The only thing I know right now is it has a ceriani front end and is gonna take up all of my spending money to get it back together.
He still has the handlebars and seat up in the rafters of his garage, we'll pull those down soon and add them to the pile.
The plan is to make a dirtbike out of it, That seems like it will be the cheapest option at this point.

The ol' motorcycle in a wooden crate trick:
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Scattered the contents of the crate - initial inventory:
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There are a few good things - new valves , bearings, etc..:
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It's an addiction , yeah I know! :wink:

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Re: 67 BSA Victor - just got my latest Project

Postby hobot » Sat Jun 16, 2012 2:45 pm

Gosh it sure looks better spread on a picnic coth than a collection in the dirt. I'd see that and think -gosh what messy loss. Shaking my head that you can see some life left in it.
Throw yourself at the ground and miss!
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Re: 67 BSA Victor - just got my latest Project

Postby komet » Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:49 pm

Looks like a fun project if it's all there. Why was it dismantled?
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Re: 67 BSA Victor - just got my latest Project

Postby swooshdave » Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:06 pm

I think the neighbor got the better end of that deal. :mrgreen:
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Re: 67 BSA Victor - just got my latest Project

Postby Mark » Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:30 pm

swooshdave wrote:I think the neighbor got the better end of that deal. :mrgreen:

HA HA! that's what he said too! :lol:

I spent some time messing with it this afternoon and am really surprised at how complete it is.
It has new valves and it came with a new piston and all new bearings and seals for the bottom end.

Also, brand new clutch and brake cables. I bet I could get $150. for the tank alone if I was to part it out.
I'm not gonna do that though, I have wanted a thumper dirt bike for a while now so I'm gonna make me one out of this.

He gave me a factory service manual so all I need is to buy a parts book and a gasket kit and I can get the engine put together.
well, I also need to get the cylinder bored because the new piston is 20 over.
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Re: 67 BSA Victor - just got my latest Project

Postby grandpaul » Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:10 am

Great project bike, mostly there.

I love the sprocket & spark arrestor muffler, it might have been set up for trials. Or maybe he used it to pull stumps out of the back 40...

"Rupert's Ratio" is the often-quoted "book to have" besides the parts book and shop manual.

Dreaming is good for you...

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Re: 67 BSA Victor - just got my latest Project

Postby swooshdave » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:36 am

grandpaul wrote:Great project bike, mostly there.

I love the sprocket & spark arrestor muffler, it might have been set up for trials. Or maybe he used it to pull stumps out of the back 40...[/img]


No trials with those knobbies!
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Re: 67 BSA Victor - just got my latest Project

Postby gtsun » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:56 am

Lucky you! I love my 68 Shooting Star. Relaxe your jaw muscles because the first time you drop it into 1st gear and go blowing down the road you will instantly be smiling like never before! Then of course the vibration will bounce you teeth out!
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Re: 67 BSA Victor - just got my latest Project

Postby bluto » Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:22 am

I owned a 441 Victor in the '80's and had a lot of fun with it, a prior owner had installed Honda dirtbike forks and 21" wheel and the bike actually worked pretty well off road....IIRC the bottom end and gearbox were originally designed for 250cc power and sometimes failed on 441 and 500 cc bikes. Mine was fairly easy to start once I got the knack of cracking the compression release just right.
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Re: 67 BSA Victor - just got my latest Project

Postby worntorn » Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:41 am

It doesnt look any worse than these two Ossas I got a few summers back. One was given to me by a friend, the other was purchased for $100, both in boxes. The $100 bike had no compression from years of use in dusty conditions with a hole in the airbox. In effect, it had no airfilter. The engine on the free bike only needed minor work, however the rest of the bike needed a lot of help. I ride them quite often and also lend them to friends when Im riding the Maico.

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Re: 67 BSA Victor - just got my latest Project

Postby Mark » Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:00 pm

OK, I've gotten to spend a little time with the BSA.
I'm waiting for a gasket kit, a clutch hub extractor tool and a Rupert Ratio manual to show up
before split the cases.


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In the mean time, I went through the top end.

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I ran a quick hone down through the cylinder and it came out pretty good.
I haven't measured it yet, but I may just be able to use the stock sized piston instead of boring it out.
that's good!


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I pulled the rockers and cleaned them up, along with the rocker box.

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So far - So good!

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Re: 67 BSA Victor - just got my latest Project

Postby Mark » Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:10 pm

Oh, I have also been cleaning up some of the stuff that I am not planning on using.

I'm going to put the street stuff up for sale on ebay and hopefully make enough to
offset the cost of a Boyer for the little BSA 441.


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I think that I would probably make a lot quicker progress if I wasn't shooting so many pics
and documenting the rebuild.
Kinda fun though, I'm not in a hurry to finish it.

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Re: 67 BSA Victor - just got my latest Project

Postby grandpaul » Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:10 am

I like your engine stand.

Those lights, in that condition, are worth a lot more than a Boyer kit.

That original tail light lens alone, if not cracked, can fetch more than you might imagine on e-bay.

Your cylinder looks excellent. You want .0045 clearance to piston, but if you have .005 or even .0055, it'll still have more than enough compression for near full power, with just a bit of smoke; no biggie. Great job on the head.
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Re: 67 BSA Victor - just got my latest Project

Postby AussieCombat » Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:24 pm

Find the money somewhere else Mark, please don't sell those lights etc.
One day you will be the envy of many, when you ride it to a Classic Moto cross meeting
and all those who did just that, come running over to see your complete, road going, 441.
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Re: 67 BSA Victor - just got my latest Project

Postby Mark » Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:27 pm

grandpaul wrote:I like your engine stand.

It works. :)
Necessity is the mother of invention, I have limited work bench space and wanted something easy to move around
and out of my way when not being worked on.
I had that perforated angle just sitting around (left over from my garage door install), so I put it to use.



AussieCombat wrote:Find the money somewhere else Mark, please don't sell those lights etc.
One day you will be the envy of many, when you ride it to a Classic Moto cross meeting
and all those who did just that, come running over to see your complete, road going, 441.
AC.

I could just hold onto them and pay for the parts I need, But.... I'm fairly confident that I will never use them.
Maybe there is someone out there who is looking to put their Victor back to stock and will appreciate them more than I.

Personally, I am not a big fan of the stock Victors cosmetics and I want a GP thumper so that's what I am going to make.

I have never been a "purist" when it comes to my bikes, I put them together the way that I want.
I suppose that if it was going into a museum , then there would be more attention paid to a "factory correct" rebuild,
but my motorcycles get ridden, I build them for that.

Also........ these bikes are so old now that nobody (except anal retentives) even remember what is stock and what's not.
As long as they don't look hacked together, people seem to appreciate them.

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