Welcome to the Access Norton Forum. Login as a VIP member to remove the advertising banners.


Brembo: Old versus new front brakes

Modern 961 Norton Commando Motorcycles

Brembo: Old versus new front brakes

Postby Raphi » Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:31 am

I have a 2012 Café Racer with USD forks and recently got new MkII Brembos, because the old ones were damaged in an accident.
Does anybody have experience with both the old golden Brembo's with 2 brake pistons on each side and with the grey MkII Brembo's with 1 brake piston each side? If yes, could you remark any difference?
I have the impression that the new style are much less effective. I preferred the old biting ones...
Old style:
Image
New style:
Image
Raphi, Switzerland
Last edited by Raphi on Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar

Raphi
Posts: 219
Joined: Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:10 pm

Re: Brembo: Old versus new front brakes

Postby Fast Eddie » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:50 pm

Can't see why Brembo would make a worse caliper really.

I can imagine Norton fitting less grabby pads (especially to non ABS bikes).

I'd research and try different pads.
User avatar
Access Norton VIP Paying Member
Fast Eddie
VIP MEMBER
Posts: 3630
Joined: Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:48 am
Location: Oxford, England

Re: Brembo: Old versus new front brakes

Postby TonyA » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:13 pm

Did the new style calipers require a different master cylinder ? Just guessing , You have probably checked this already. So the required lever pressure to get the same braking has increased. ? Well ask Norton if this is normal and then try a different pad like Eddie suggested. Also , there may be a higher force lever that may be fitted .

TonyA
Posts: 842
Joined: Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:14 am
Location: Milwaukee WI. USA

Re: Brembo: Old versus new front brakes

Postby richard-7 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:48 pm

My bike is 2014 gray. My dads is 2013 gold line. His brakes are indeed better. The gray are probably cheaper is my guess. I imagined Kenny Dreer had gold line because he wanted the best of everything but stuart probably realized that gold line was way over kill on a bike with less than 100hp. Just speculation of course.
1977 Suzuki GT500 2-stroke Cafe Racer
2014 Norton 961 SE #112
My Flickr Account Photos
ONE07 Flickr Account Photos
iStock Motorcycle Pics
User avatar

richard-7
Posts: 996
Joined: Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:31 am
Location: Southern Ontario, Canada

Re: Brembo: Old versus new front brakes

Postby pantah_good » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:10 am

Raphi wrote:...Brembo's with 2 brake pistons on each side and with the grey MkII Brembo's with 1 brake piston each side?

I suspect you mean two brake pads per side compared to one brake pad per side calipers, as they both have four pistons total. I have experience with equivalent two and four brake pad linear mount Brembo calipers, and the four pad calipers have a noticeably more aggressive initial bite and a stronger feel all around. The brake pad compounds make a large difference as well. That said, the two pad calipers with good quality "medium" pads should be fine for normal street use. I have to be a little more careful if quickly braking with the four pad model.
Bill
1972 Norton Roadster Combat
1974 BMW R90S
1997 Ducati 748/853
User avatar
Access Norton VIP Paying Member
pantah_good
VIP MEMBER
Posts: 428
Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:28 am
Location: N. Springfield, VT

Re: Brembo: Old versus new front brakes

Postby Britfan60 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:50 am

I've been told the Brembos on my 13 are overkill. I like them. As for the power of each, I don't know, but they are strong enough to make me stand on my front wheel, then pounding me back into the pavement, thus breaking my leg. Either that or rear end the schmuck that got in front of me only to stop short. sigh. Yea. Good brakes. ABS would have been nice.
Access Norton VIP Paying Member
Britfan60
VIP MEMBER
Posts: 915
Joined: Sun Jan 05, 2014 5:56 am

Re: Brembo: Old versus new front brakes

Postby Britjunkie » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:03 am

Great topic, I find that the front brake on my 2015 sport is way to aggressive for my tastes. Does anyone have a part # for the single pad to fit into the dual pad caliper? Thanks.

Britjunkie
Posts: 63
Joined: Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:29 am

Re: Brembo: Old versus new front brakes

Postby Raphi » Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:14 pm

Here are part # and prices for the calipers in grey (single pad), don't know if you can have only the pads. Maybe Norton UK can help us with some information:
6020119 Caliper Assy, Radial, RH
6020118 Caliper Assy, Radial, LH
£ 200.00 each plus V.A.T.
Lead time about 6 weeks
Raphi, Switzerland
User avatar

Raphi
Posts: 219
Joined: Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:10 pm

Re: Brembo: Old versus new front brakes

Postby Raphi » Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:08 pm

pantah_good wrote:
Raphi wrote:...Brembo's with 2 brake pistons on each side and with the grey MkII Brembo's with 1 brake piston each side?

I suspect you mean two brake pads per side compared to one brake pad per side calipers, as they both have four pistons total. I have experience with equivalent two and four brake pad linear mount Brembo calipers, and the four pad calipers have a noticeably more aggressive initial bite and a stronger feel all around. The brake pad compounds make a large difference as well. That said, the two pad calipers with good quality "medium" pads should be fine for normal street use. I have to be a little more careful if quickly braking with the four pad model.
Bill

Thank you Bill,
This is very valuable information. Do you know if it is possible to fit two pads per side to the grey calipers and get the same bite as before?
User avatar

Raphi
Posts: 219
Joined: Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:10 pm

Re: Brembo: Old versus new front brakes

Postby pantah_good » Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:25 pm

No, that's not possible because of the design of caliper bodies. The single pad per side caliper has one pin or bolt across the middle caliper body that the pads "hang" on. The two pads per side calipers have two pins or bolts across the caliper body centered on each pair of pads.

Here's just a thought, maybe you and "Britjunkie" (look back a couple of posts) could trade calipers?? But...I say that without knowing if the caliper mounting to the forks are interchangeable. I am not familiar with the forks on either of your modern Norton's. Probably best to run that suggestion by the factory?

Another thing I was wondering about is if the insurance from your accident paid for the correct pair of calipers that were originally on your bike. Maybe you could go back to them for a correction now that you are aware that you did not get the "proper" replacement parts?
Bill
1972 Norton Roadster Combat
1974 BMW R90S
1997 Ducati 748/853
User avatar
Access Norton VIP Paying Member
pantah_good
VIP MEMBER
Posts: 428
Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:28 am
Location: N. Springfield, VT

Re: Brembo: Old versus new front brakes

Postby Raphi » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:39 pm

Hi Bill
The gold line Brembos are unfortunately not available anymore. I guess that old and new are interchangeable, but am not 100% sure as I got new Öhlins at the same time...
Britjunkie only wants the single pads but not on the new calipers if I got him right.
Raphi
User avatar

Raphi
Posts: 219
Joined: Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:10 pm

Re: Brembo: Old versus new front brakes

Postby Britfan60 » Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:25 am

You can still get Brembo gold calipers aftermarket. You don't have to go through Norton.

This is just one link of a few.

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss ... cle+brakes
Access Norton VIP Paying Member
Britfan60
VIP MEMBER
Posts: 915
Joined: Sun Jan 05, 2014 5:56 am

Re: Brembo: Old versus new front brakes

Postby Britjunkie » Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:57 am

My gold calipers are axial mount so no interchange with radial. I think I'm on to a part # that is a less aggressive "street" pad. I can't confirm it but it looks like Brembo # 07BB19.SA, Seems avaliable in Europe, but I'm still looking for A bike I can confirm has the same calipers in the U.S. Ducati, Aprilia?

Britjunkie
Posts: 63
Joined: Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:29 am

Re: Brembo: Old versus new front brakes

Postby TonyA » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:22 am

Aprilia RSV 1000 Mille 2001 1000cc Front Requires Two AD-177, S33-177 (inc radial mountcalipers)
Aprilia RSV 1000 Mille 2002 1000cc Front Requires Two AD-177, S33-177
Aprilia RSV 1000 R 2001 1000cc (inc Radial Mount Calipers) Front Requires Two AD-177, S33-177 - Rear pads is the same
Aprilia RSV 1000 R 2003 1000cc Front Requires Two AD-177, S33-177 (Rad.cal.)
Aprilia RSV 1000 R 2004 1000cc Front Requires Two AD-177, S33-177 (Factory)
Aprilia RSV 1000 R 2004 1000cc Front Requires Two AD-177, S33-177 (Factory) (Rad.cal.)
Aprilia RSV 1000 R 2005 1000cc Front Requires Two AD-177, S33-177 (Rad.cal.)
Aprilia RSV 1000 R 2006 1000cc Front Requires Two AD-177, S33-177 (Factory)
Aprilia RSV 1000 R 2007 1000cc Front Requires Two AD-177, S33-177 (Factory)
Aprilia RSV 1000 R 2008 1000cc Front Requires Two AD-177, S33-177 (Factory)
Aprilia RSV 1000 R Factory 2004 1000cc Front Requires Two AD-177, S33-177 (Rad.cal.)
Aprilia RSV 1000 R Factory 2005 1000cc Front Requires Two AD-177, S33-177 (Rad.cal.)
Aprilia RSV 1000 R Factory 2006 1000cc Front Requires Two AD-177, S33-177 (Rad.cal.)
Aprilia RSV 1000 R Factory 2007 1000cc Front Requires Two AD-177, S33-177 (Rad.cal.)
Aprilia RSV 1000 R Factory 2008 1000cc Front Requires Two AD-177, S33-177 (Rad.cal.)
Aprilia RSV 1000 R Racing 2004 1000cc Front Requires Two AD-177, S33-177 (Rad.cal)
Aprilia RSV 1000 R Racing 2005 1000cc Front Requires Two AD-177, S33-177 (Rad.cal)
Aprilia RSV 1000 R Racing 2006 1000cc Front Requires Two AD-177, S33-177 (Rad.cal)
Aprilia RSV 1000 R Racing 2007 1000cc Front Requires Two AD-177, S33-177 (Rad.cal)
Aprilia RSV 1000 R Racing 2008 1000cc Front Requires Two AD-177, S33-177 (Rad.cal)

Above is for Radial Caliper gold line type.

Below is Axial type. #141 on front , #152 on rear Go to Gold Fren site and just find any bike that has those pads. They have Norton on the list. I believe all rear pads are the same for Norton 961 .

RSV 1000 Factory Pista 2004 - 152
RSV 1000 Mille R 2000 - 2x141 152
RSV 1000 Mille SP 2000 - 2x141 152
RSV 1000 Tuono Racing 2004 - 2008 2x141 152

TonyA
Posts: 842
Joined: Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:14 am
Location: Milwaukee WI. USA

Re: Brembo: Old versus new front brakes

Postby Britjunkie » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:25 am

Thanks TonyA, I've ordered some pads, I'll report back with results.

Britjunkie
Posts: 63
Joined: Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:29 am

Next

Return to Norton Commando 961 Motorcycles

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: pingu-nz and 2 guests