A mate in Tasmania has his numberplate hinged and a long throttle throttle cable to a choke lever on the bars.
The hinged plate is spring loaded.
Pull the choke lever and the numberplate lifts up, release the lever and the plate goes back down.
It's all concealed and looks normal. He hasn't had a radar ticket yet.

Graeme.

I side with the don't speed crowd. One of the reasons is that the photo radars are usually in dangerous areas where no one should speed. Times have changed and I am really afraid of the bad drivers on the road and there is a LOT of them out on any road anywhere in the world.

If you really want to speed safely, do it on a track, at least everyone is going in the same direction and there are fewer clowns riding at the same time as you are.

Jean

Funny case here a while back where a few guys on push bike whent up to the operater of a speed camera van and started talking to him while the operater was distracted one of the guys unscrewed one of the vans number plates. Push bike Guys went home screw the plate on their car and spent the next hour speeding through the speed trap.

Jeandr wrote:I side with the don't speed crowd. One of the reasons is that the photo radars are usually in dangerous areas where no one should speed. Times have changed and I am really afraid of the bad drivers on the road and there is a LOT of them out on any road anywhere in the world.

If you really want to speed safely, do it on a track, at least everyone is going in the same direction and there are fewer clowns riding at the same time as you are.

Jean

Hi, don't misunderstand me, I never speed in town or dangerous places, but here in Belgium they put speed traps on "safe" roads, where each car or bike rider will go "naturaly" over the limit, just to make money.
Yesterday thet catch me on a B road with a long straigt line, the limit was 70 km/h and I was doing 80 km/h ( with my car)
I spend 20 years on tracks for racing, with a lot of broken bones, becouse at race you go over the limit, on public roads I never have any incident in 41 years
I am not a road terrorist, never drink or use drugs, the only drug I use is my Norton;
Cheers Yves

kanaka wrote:Funny case here a while back where a few guys on push bike whent up to the operater of a speed camera van and started talking to him while the operater was distracted one of the guys unscrewed one of the vans number plates. Push bike Guys went home screw the plate on their car and spent the next hour speeding through the speed trap.

I don't know how it is in the rest of the world but where I live if you head into town between 7:00 am and 9:00 am on the way to work EVERYBODY goes 70 kmh per hr and it's a 50 zone. It's 3 lanes each way with a big wide boulevard between. Quite safe actually. A lot of times you're safer going at a speed that's comfortable to you because you attention is all on your driving. Start going slower (ie: the speed limit) and your mind wanders onto other things and you can become distracted. Sometimes I wonder if the theory of speed limits isn't that everybody can be driving along in a semi distracted state and when all of a sudden they realize they're out of focus and getting sloppy it doesn't matter because everyone else is usually going too slow to cause a problem.

I live 3 blocks from an elementary school and one evening I left home and came upon an accident scene. A 13 yr. old girl was unconscious on the road, she'd been struck at the crosswalk. There was a special event on and it was dark. I read later that she died and every time I go by there ( several time a day 8 years later) I think of her. One morning I was approaching the crosswalk and from 100 yards away I saw some adults at the crosswalk. I kept scanning the school parking lot, the entrance and exit to it, the crosswalk ahead, the sidewalks, my mirrors etc and noticed the adults were seeming to be looking at me but they were still too far away to focus on so I kept scanning around. As I always think of the girl who died and her family I'm not siting back in my seat, I'm sitting up and just constantly scanning things. I eventually noticed the adults were police officers in rain gear so I looked at the speedo and I was going 25kmh in a 20kmh school zone so now I took my foot off the gas but I didn't want to stare at my speedo to make sure I was only going 20 kmh I wanted to keep scanning for kids. When I got really close I could see the female cop was pissed and wanted to stop me. The older male cop who'd locked eyes with me a few times now was not watching my truck going 25 kmh but was looking through my windshield watching what I was doing all the while since I'd come into view, put his arm on the female cop and they let me go by. I figure because he was experienced enough to see I was driving very attentively paying very close attention to everything that really mattered. I always knew that for the speed I was going I could stop fast enough for anything that might come into my path within my clear line of vision. Had I been sitting back in my seat lost in thought and gyrating to the music on the radio I would have gotten a ticket for sure. I think we've all been let off the hook once or twice by a good traffic cop who through his experience and observations realized that although we may have been going over the limit we were still driving quite safely.

It's a fine line and it's easy to cross.

DogT
Bad news from OZ, we have lots of cameras fixed and mobile. Victoria would be the worst. NSW put up a sign just after you past the mobile ones. Fixed ones have a large warning before so you can not say you wern't warned. Our Northern Territory was the best as out of main towns there was no limit but has been change to 130KM/H about two years ago.
Ian

Hi Yves,

I think I've found what you need :

http://www.speedflip.com/

First of all , I try not to speed .
We : Yves , Paul , 79X100 and me live in Flanders , the northern part of Belgium , and about the size of Conneticut .
It is one of the most densely populated areas in the world , and notoriuous for it''s lack of urban planning , dangerous and crowded roads , undisciplined drivers ..etc .
A typical Belgian (driver ) thinks the law only aplies to others .
This is because of our history : whe have been occupied so often ( Romans , French , Austrians , Spanisch , Dutch , Germans ...) that we have come to think of authoriy and government as being the ennemy .
It is quite acceptable here , and even considered as a justified act of resistance to avoid taxes , break or bend the law , cheat on the government in every conceivable way .
And IF you get cought , you can still count on our completely failing justice system to get away with it .
In Brussels , our capital city , 80 % of all traffic fines are never paid !
So Yves question comes as no surprise to me .
On the other hand , I am shure we have the most dense network of speeding cameras in the world .
( In Flanders , that is . In the south , French speaking part of Belgium , there are virtually none ) .
In Flanders , there are more speeding and traffic light cameras than in the whole of France ,
which is 40 times the size , and 5 times less populated per sq m.
That is why I prefere to ride in other countries .
An advantage of living in a small country is that the border is allways close .
On the freeways in France ( not exactly free ..) You can cruise at 80 -85 mph without worry .
In Germany , there are still many stretches of autobahn without speed limit .
In the Alps , my favourite terrain , you can use every bit of power of your bike with little risk of going over the speed limit .
I have been flashed a few times in France and Germany , doing like 60 in a 50 kmh zone , but they flash from the front up, so no problemo .
NEVER speed in Scandinavian countries : they will put you in jail , and speeding in Switzerland is also a very bad idea .
O , and Yves , you would be surprised how long you can ride WITHOUT a license plate .
If they stop you , I am shure you can talk yourself out of it .
After all , it IS Belgium !

I've just discovered a new respect for Belgians!

I wish we Brits were more like that - unfortunately we've been totally beaten down by the rules

At least the roads near me are so twisty and dodgy as to make speeding virtually impossible, although the Devil's Bridge road (NW England's No. 1 Biker's meeting place) is so mercilessly monitored by the Plod I don't even bother going any more

Ludwig, reading your post, one could think that you can get away with anything in Belgium. Well, I don't think so. As far as I know, it is impossible to get away with speeding fines (unless you are a parliamentarian who "can't do wrong").
Parking tickets in Brussels are a different story.
What drivers in Belgium hate is that many of the speed cameras are put in places that are not justified, well hidden (if safety would be the goal, they would paint them in fluo colours wouldn't they ?) and that the fines are excessively high. Moreover, there is no relation between the height of the fine and the traffic conditions, weather, etc. (Speed controls in 30 Km/u school zones in the middle of the night... )

As civilian, you can never beat them. Road safety, environmental protection, smoking, CO2, you name it. Everything is an excuse to increasing taxes without calling it "taxes".

Speeding is generally not a problem on most roads, even in traffic, it is the speed differential that can be dangerous. As long as everyone is going at the same speed or close to it, there is no consequence to going fast, but take one driver who is not at ease at the wheel and if he changes lanes or slows down because a cat crosses the road, then there is a high risk of a collision. Even the pros get bitten, just look at NASCAR races, a sudden change of speed due to engine faiure is many times the cause of a major pileup.

I am always looking at what can go wrong on the road, I anticipate the actions of others and for some strange reason, I feel safer in a car or on a bicycle. The car just because it is basicaly steel body armor and a bicycle only because I can hear and see much better what is going on around me not to mention I am many times on my own private road, even if it is only the paved shoulder. On a motorcycle I feel very vulnerable because I am travelling at the same speed as cars and I am sharing the same road space without any protection or recognition by car drivers, somehow, they don't think a motrobike can hurt them and many times they just don't see a motorcycle.

I am not saying I don't go fast, because I do, but I don't do it all the time and finding out how fast any vehicule can go in a straight line is not something worth doing day in and day out unless it is at Bonneville. Taking that special corner a bit faster on the other hand is always satisfying keeping in mind it can be dangerous because somone dropped oil on the road or some idiot dragged dirt and sand onto the road not to mention the slippery wet leaves at this time of the year.

The good thing about a old machine like a Commando is that it just won't go that fast, there is no need to try and push it past 300Km/h. Ridden within its limits, it can be faster than 99% of cars on the road which is good enough for me.

Jean

Hi all
A little while ago a number plate was sold in the UK with a reflective finish that broke up the plate when caught in the flash of the camera.
Sound idea. Looks normal in everyday use. Sold as the way to avoid speeding tickets.
However my friend in the police informed me that one of their boffins in his lunchbreak designed a computer program that can re jig the plate in seconds & you now get done for the number plate as well as your speeding.
Its to easy now to loose your licence. One long trip at areasonable pace & you could blow it in a day.
Real excess can only be sought on the track & its best to do it on a Commando. Biased me?
all the best Chris

You could deck your commando out like an Interpol and activate the lights when you come through a town.
Locals may think your in hot persuit.
Marshal

For those of us in the UK, please remember that although it may be regarded as a bit of harmless 'tax dodging', if you knowingly attempt to avoid detection from cameras etc. by using something to mask the plate or otherwise make the plate number unreadable, then you could find yourself being prosecuted for ATTEMPTING TO PERVERT THE COURSE OF JUSTICE, which could result in a criminal conviction.



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