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Amal float level

Postby Scruff » Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:32 am

I have read all the links to setting the float level . My bike is running rich when riding, at idle it is fine by the gas analyser and the mercury guages show the balance spot on after checking timing etc. Rev up to 3000rpm and the analyser goes into the rich scale. Run up and down the freeway and the plugs show rich even after dropping the needle clip to the top groove. Moved the floats up and down as per the links on the amals and at the setting suggested .080" would not idle and was way to lean on idle plus the ticklers did not reach the floats to flood carbys on start up. The floats were set above the float bowl when I first stripped them and was way too rich but the ticklers reached them. I have them set just below the bowl edge and the ticklers do not reach the floats but it idles perfect. I am going to strip the jets out and see if I can measure the needle jet size and will see if I can get a carby kit with new jets for next weekend but would love to know where the float should be set. I even conected the fuel lines to just the float bowls and measured the actual fuel in the bowl at one of the recomened settings and it was way to low. Thanks.
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Re: Amal float level

Postby daveh » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:34 am

Scruff — try setting the float level so that the top edge of the float is 2 mm above the face of the float bowl. This is the figure that is recommended. See this link:

http://www.jba.bc.ca/Bushmans%20Carb%20 ... html#FLOAT

However, in practice, you might find that this is too rich, in which case try 1 mm.

I turn the float bowl upside down, hold the float pivot pin firmly with a finger, making sure not to touch the float itself, and let the float needle sit on its the seat just by the weight of the float alone.
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Re: Amal float level

Postby batrider » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:34 am

The link says `below` the face of the float bowl but since you are looking at it upside-down when measuring then I guess it would be ~above~ . Basically the top of the float needs to remain within the bowl when the gas pushes up on it.

Or maybe I've been doing it wrong for a long time.

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Re: Amal float level

Postby motoracer8 » Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:56 am

Read the artical again, the float level should be just below the front edge of the float bowl, not above as stated in the other post. .060 to .080 thousands, or 1 1/2 to 2mm.
If the slides are not worn out, overly rich running is normaly worn needle jets or needles or both. The needles are stainless and don't wear too fast but the needle jets are brass and do wear quickly. The vacuum pulls the needle forward and wears the jet oval shape, .0005 thats 1/2 thou, makes a big difference.

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Re: Amal float level

Postby daveh » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:42 pm

The last post is quite right. Apologies for my dyslexic comment above!

Here's another link, which includes measuring the fuel height as well as the float height:

http://www.oldbritts.com/amal_tun.html
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Re: Amal float level

Postby Scruff » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:20 pm

Thanks for the help. I had a play with the level as per those two sites and because my ticklers are to short at those settings is why I set it at about 1millimeter and it ran the best at that setting even though the ticklers still do not reach the floats, thats why I thought I would see what every one else had set their heights at. Seems as though the 80" is about right. I will investigate further at the weekend as I had to go back to work today after my Easter break and you all know how that puts you in a different frame of mind. The bike is back inside the house now and the boss lets me do anything down stairs in my play room but she draws the line at the smell of petrol. Do not want to burn the house down, will take it back out to the garage at the weekend. I suspect the advice on the needle jet is close to the problem.
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Re: Amal float level

Postby batrider » Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:53 am

The top cap piece of the tickler is pressed onto its shaft. They can be pressed together too far. Pull them apart slightly and you should have enough length to reach the floats.
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Re: Amal float level

Postby Scruff » Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:51 pm

Batrider Thanks for that advice, I was going to pull them out at the weekend but I will try your advice first.
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Re: Amal float level

Postby L.A.B. » Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:34 pm

Scruff wrote:I had a play with the level as per those two sites and because my ticklers are to short at those settings is why I set it at about 1millimeter and it ran the best at that setting even though the ticklers still do not reach the floats, thats why I thought I would see what every one else had set their heights at.



Many Amal users have found that setting the floats to 1mm below the bowl face is best.
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Re: Amal float level

Postby Scruff » Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:07 am

L.A.B. I was hoping you would have a view on the levels. The choice of 1mm was just trial and error with 2 mm not able to set the idle with the pilot jets and with the float parralel to and horizontal to the base at 1mm+ on opening the throttle was way to rich. This was the height they were set at when I first pulled them apart. My 930 ticklers are one piece and peened over where they touch the floats to stop them coming out of the carby bodies. I have a set of 932,s and the ticklers on them are made up of two pieces and are longer so they would touch the floats at the lower setting.
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Re: Amal float level

Postby Per G » Wed May 06, 2009 1:26 pm

This is interesting stuff!
Depending on who you ask about setting the Amal MK1 float level you get anything starting at a low 3-4 mm below the edge up to 1 mm above the edge.
Last season I used 2 mm below (checking the level by turning it upside-down). This worked fine for me but now I tried to use approximately 1 mm. The bike is very easy to start (did some othe work so might not be depending on the float level) but I now get a little bit of floading on one side. Not sure if this is entirely related to the float level?

What is your experience with highest float level setting without getting flooding problems?

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Re: Amal float level

Postby L.A.B. » Wed May 06, 2009 1:45 pm

Per G wrote:What is your experience with highest float level setting without getting flooding problems?



Personally, I've never needed to experiment with float levels. I check they are 1mm below the flange, and that's it.

The only time I had a flooding problem was when a float cracked along the joint, and fuel leaked into it.
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Re: Amal float level

Postby Per G » Thu May 07, 2009 12:03 am

Thanks LAB!
I fitted new floats so maybe it;s probably a good idea to drop the bowl and check that the new float is not leaking and maybe try a new gasket too.

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Re: Amal float level

Postby Scruff » Thu May 07, 2009 12:38 am

Just a quick update. Ordered new main jet, needle jet, needle and float needles by Australia post C.O.D. on Tuesday and may not receive before the weekend. Will report on results. If not good will buy new carbies at $325.00 AUD. My supplier told me that Amal were under new owners and the quality had dropped, any comment on this info? My purchase of the Trispark will be put back a little if I do as I have spent much more than the $900.00 stimulas payment since Easter but she is on the road and I still love her, maybe its all the quality time I spend down in my playroom playing with the little things that go with ownership of a classic.
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Re: Amal float level

Postby Keith1069 » Thu May 07, 2009 1:36 am

My supplier told me that Amal were under new owners and the quality had dropped, any comment on this info?

Have heard the same but just bought new bodies and chromed brass slides. Only issue I had with these newly tooled castings was a tight spot in the float pivot area (old floats) jamming the floats up or down. Relieved the metal and carbs work a treat with better mileage than ever I had with new carbs from 7-8 years ago. The new castings certainly look good.
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