Trump seems to be doing well so far...

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Fast Eddie said:
Now you're just into name calling. The conversation is going nowhere.
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Aw heck, thats the whole essence of politics, and why its such a wunnerful pub subject. !!

And its no different in real life - one election team A gets in, and the next team B, and so forth,
and they then spend xx% of their time basically undoing what the past mob did.
One step forward, 2 steps sideways, 3 steps forward or back, call an election, repeat.
Fly in the face of facts and logic, and drag the voters along regardless....
 
Rohan said:
Fast Eddie said:
Now you're just into name calling. The conversation is going nowhere.
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Aw heck, thats the whole essence of politics, and why its such a wunnerful pub subject. !!

And its no different in real life - one election team A gets in, and the next team B, and so forth,
and they then spend xx% of their time basically undoing what the past mob did.
One step forward, 2 steps sideways, 3 steps forward or back, call an election, repeat.
Fly in the face of facts and logic, and drag the voters along regardless....
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God bless democracy...
 
Office holding republicans, and so many republican voters ignore his overwhelming flaws because he'll give them what they want, less regulation, less science, more money for those who already have more than enough, and more fascism. Oh, and fewer Mexicanos and Muslims, that will get the base energized...
 
xbacksideslider said:
Glenn Greenwald is a respected man of the Left; he has the integrity to criticize the MSM's misrepresentations.
The refusal of you three to even read his article, as linked above, is . . . . . like a Harley . . . . stubborn, slow, behind the times.
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Never heard of him. I pay no attention to talking heads of any ilk who have never dirtied their fingernails with honest work. Just say what you think, not what someone else thinks. Your constant looking down your nose at those of us who cull bloggers, talk radio hosts and radical pundits from our reading list just paints you as an elitist. I guess you have a right to their opinions.
 
DonOR said:
Office holding republicans, and so many republican voters ignore his overwhelming flaws because he'll give them what they want, less regulation, less science, more money for those who already have more than enough, and more fascism. Oh, and fewer Mexicanos and Muslims, that will get the base energized...
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The essence of the Trump Presidency distilled.
 
The less science thing is a worry. I spent my whole working life as a scientist. When I was a kid, Menzies was in power and had inherited the war industries which formed our industrial technology base. From that time to the present, most of our governments have been conservative and we have lost most of our manufacturing industry and research institutions. These days I feel that I have wasted my whole working life. A lot of what I did was cutting edge, but it seems to have been all for nothing. I'd have been better off training to become a criminal.
 
If you survived and your descendents carry on, your life was not wasted. Whatever we do in life to be productive has to be it's own reward. You can't think in terms of what happens to your work after you're done with it. I've participated in the building of many structures-homes, schools, hospitals, bridges, retail outlets and if someone slathers my work with ugly paint or uses a building for illicit purposes, that's on them, not me.
 
Only Alan could turn a thread on Mr Trump into an Agony Aunt session on his (ie Alans) personal life. !!

The question could well be asked though as to what sort of legacy will Mr Trump leave ??

The comment was made at the recent recent G20 meeting (apart from that it was really a G19+1 meeting, Mr Trump was really on the outer in many respects) was that it was visible that Mr Trump really didn't have the skills or desire for America to lead the world any more.

Mr Obama was quite notable in this regard, being rated (internationally) possibly one of the best Presidents in many a year, in some very difficult times. Time will tell if America drawing back into itself is a wise strategy,
or even if America is going to go along with Mr Trump on this. Rex seems to be doing a lot of running around and doing a lot of reassuring, almost contrary to Trumps pronouncements ?
 
Tillerson seems to have become the de facto Vice President. We haven't heard a squeak out of the religious nutcase Pence
 
Tillerson seems to have become the de facto Vice President. We haven't heard a squeak out of the religious nutcase Pence
 
He recently announced someplace that NASA are going to return to the moon, and "get boots on Mars".
Which likely made the NASA folks cheer... ?

Given the logistics of even getting to Mars, and safely returning, I'd doubt that I'll see that in my lifetime.
Its going to take some serious funding, and technical development to even make that possible.
When every cornflake will cost more than $10, and the tank of oxygen for the trip will be gi-enormous.
And then there has to be enough for the return trip.
 
Getting to Mars will not be a problem. In Star Trek, they just beam each other up. Our local council officers are fond of saying 'in the future we will be doing jobs which we cannot even imagine'. The technology of 3D printers is going ahead in leaps and bounds.
 
My comment about the conservatives' attitudes towards science was not simply agonising. In Australia, they have completely stuffed science and there is probably no way back. Many people seem to believe that technology is safe with the academics, however academics usually only know the basics and what they have been told or read. I know what we had and the impossibility of rebuilding that knowledge base.
 
The scary thing is that it IS possible for the human condition to go backward. Knowledge is fragile. Cultural error, or a change in context, can result in a reversal of progress. One example, some Polynesian groups, isolated on islands, lost the knowledge of how to build ocean going canoes. Multiculturalism's insistence that all cultures are equal, devalues those that achieve.
 
xbacksideslider said:
The scary thing is that it IS possible for the human condition to go backward.
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Heck, the Romans knew that.
Some might claim that all "civilisation" since then is a pale imitation

xbacksideslider said:
Knowledge is fragile. Cultural error, or a change in context, can result in a reversal of progress. One example, some Polynesian groups, isolated on islands, lost the knowledge of how to build ocean going canoes. Multiculturalism's insistence that all cultures are equal, devalues those that achieve.
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True human worth is that all cultures are equal in value, and all worth their weight in gold.
Your statement sounds suspiciously like racism, and heading towards white supremacy. ?
True civilisation is one that looks after ALL its citizens ?
Mr Obama championed this cause (?), MR Trump seems to vaccilate between abandoning it and asking for its vote...
 
xbacksideslider said:
Multiculturalism's insistence that all cultures are equal, devalues those that achieve.
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All cultures ARE equal in the same way all men are created equal. That doesn't mean they're exactly the same on any level, only equal in that others must keep an open mind to be able to expect the same treatment and respect.
 
frankdamp said:
Tillerson seems to have become the de facto Vice President. We haven't heard a squeak out of the religious nutcase Pence
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I heard that Pence is distancing himself from Trump (thus flying under the radar) in preparation for what must surely be Trump's impeachment and subsequent removal from office. The Donald isn't going to share his limelight with anyone who doesn't kiss his ass.
 
xbacksideslider said:
..... Multiculturalism's insistence that all cultures are equal, devalues those that achieve.
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OUCH

Me, I'm Irish Italian. My dad had a doctorate in physics from the U of Chicago, 1956. He worked in the US, France, Israel, India, and elsewhere. We always had some surprising, very intelligent dinner guests at the house, from a variety of cultures. In almost 30 years as a sole proprietor, I've done business with men and women all races, religions, orientation, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera... your statement above is nonsense to me.

Most cultures are equal, but there are extremes, driven by "religious" dogma, that fall by the wayside. In both east and west.

Hells bells, my brother-in-law is African American, and an actual rocket scientist (NASA) His uncle and auntie were founders of the NAACP in Florida, and brutally killed by the kkk in 1951. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_T._Moore

But I'm sure their culture was unequal to yours, or that of their well achieved murderers.
 
xbacksideslider said:
The scary thing is that it IS possible for the human condition to go backward. Knowledge is fragile. Cultural error, or a change in context, can result in a reversal of progress. One example, some Polynesian groups, isolated on islands, lost the knowledge of how to build ocean going canoes. Multiculturalism's insistence that all cultures are equal, devalues those that achieve.
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The scary thing is that reactionary attitudes like this devalues the hard work and positive achievements of my nephew who was born in Mexico of multicultural parents, who earned a PhD in environmental engineering (chemical engineering/water science) from a major American university, who interned at Lawrence Livermore Laboratories, who did post doctoral research at the Sorbonne and who is the director of water quality for a major metropolitan water district in the USA.

Perhaps this poster could cite exactly which Polynesian groups, isolated on islands, lost the knowledge of how to build ocean going canoes and how this is demonstrative of multiculturalism devaluing achievement.

Unbelievable!
 
What appals me is that in Australia, Menzies came to power in 1948 and inherited the war industries and our scientific and engineering professional institutions. Between then and now most of our governments have been conservative. Instead of building on what we had, we have lost the lot. And the loss seems to have been done with intent.
 
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