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Trump does not have 'the gift of the gab' and neither does Pauline Hanson in Australia. However many people identify with their arrogant stupidity. It is a form of inverted snobbery against well-educated intellectuals.
 
Rohan - is a revolution out of the question ? What do you think would be the consequences if Trump gets toppled or if he does not get toppled ? I suggest that either way, we have a problem.
 
I doubt there would be a "revolution". It's likely that he'll be impeached at some point and he might get pissed off enough to resign. I suspect that he thought Presidential powers were like he had in the business world, where everyone else in the organisation was under his rule. Tough titty Donald, it doesn't work like that. The President is in charge of one arm of the government, the Executive Branch. The others (Congress, the Judicial Branch, etc.) are not under his control.

Unfortunately, the succession is pre-determined - Pence would become president for the remainder of tRump's elected term of office, unless he gets dragged in by whatever tRump gets up to and is also impeached. tRump might take a clue from Richard Nixon, who avoided impeachment by merely resigning.
 
A lot of the election analysis suggested that Trump got over the line because of his rabble rousing in the down-and-out sectors of society. So 'gift of the gab' may be the wrong phrase here, but something equivalent must have been at play here. And his followers were hanging on his every word, although it was suggested that it was the meaning behind the words rather than the actual words that they were hanging on to....
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I'm sure a real revolution is out of the question. !
But when you look back through history, its revolutions/religious zealotry/invasions/civil wars that have really shaped our world, and most countries impetus for social change has only really occurred through them.
The UK seems to have had them about every 200 years, likewise much of Europe - and with 2 world wars in the 20thC the pace seems to be accelerating ??
And with the industrial and agrarian revolutions adding to this, maybe the current technological revolution will have to substitute ??
 
acotrel said:
Our problems with China started with the lobby groups in America. Much of the GATT activities in the 70s were about preventing quality issues from becoming barriers to trade.. A lot of the Chinese stuff is very good - made under American quality management systems. However a lot of it is not. Chinese motorcycles often have horrible metallurgy. They are 'fit for purpose' however lack 'attention to detail'. In Australia we have had failures of imported steel bridge fabrications, building cladding has been found to be flammable, and the Chinese wheels on our trains have been wearing too fast. quote]

How is the Sydney Harbour Bridge holding up :?:
This was made at Middlesbrough England and shipped down under by Doorman and Long & Co Ltd in the 1930s
A few good steel works have gone to the wall since then :(

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorman_Long
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Australian-made steel has never been anything to write home about, however Chinese steel seems to be even worse. I was involved in making barrels for the 105mm NATO guns. We had the steel made locally from selected scrap in an electric arc furnace and subjected it to extensive testing - cost a bomb. One of our smart young engineers suggested we could buy as good off the shelf, if we requested a quality certificate. So we tried Comsteel 4130 - it was way too dirty - full of sulphide inclusions. Our Australian companies have never fully addressed ISO9000 Quality Management Systems and most of us buy on price rather than quality. We left ourselves wide open to losing our manufacturing industry to the Chinese.
 
I believe the Chinese use American minimills for their steel-making. The Japanese are much better but don't make much that is exotic. Bola are much better.
 
Rohan,
George Orwell was in Spain when the revolution occurred. For a while in one town there was complete anarchy which he described as sheer bliss. However the fascists and communists almost immediately moved into the power vacuum. I don't think we will ever see a really visionary leader emerge from our social system. We are all too specialised. I suggest it is possible that changed could be achieved by introducing the concept of a small self-managed work group with rotating chair person, to form the leadership. However I don't think that would ever happen. We are all fixated on the pyramid with the strong man at the top.
 
Amusing words Alan, given the possible coup d'etat brewing in the top echelons of the military/intel community in Washington at present. Where to from here are the words in everyones thoughts at present.
Treason is still a hangin offence it seems, and the smell of blood is in the air....
 
Trump offered HOPE - that's a major enticement. When he is gone, the problems will still be there waiting for the next genius who has the answer.
 
Barack and Bernie and Hillary, Etc, Etc......have all offered hope as well. To Their credit they didn't act like 14 year old narcissistic jack asses. I believe Thomas Jefferson once stated something to the effect of : a democracy needs a revolution every 200 years. The USA is overdue. In the context of the French Revolution, anarchy and rolling heads were the norm before reason threw out the new rascals. China and India are emerging as the new world leaders. The USA is on the verge of civil war if a moderate leader can't be found and the spirit of compromise re established. Trump is the leader of anarchy whereby the elite 1% oligarchy obliterates the middle class and the masses build pyramids in thir honor. Read Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged"
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'To Their credit they didn't act like 14 year old narcissistic jack asses.'

I suggest many people underestimate Rupert Murdoch's power. He manipulates the Bogan vote which decides who gets elected in many western countries. The UK phone hacking scandal only received minimal media coverage in Australia. And recent changes to our media ownership laws and privacy act might further empower Murdoch. Whenever a government gets elected with Murdoch's help, they become obliged.
 
"The Russians are Coming, The Russians are Coming . . . I saw one under the bed! "

Predictably, the no evidence, unnamed sources, MSM assault on Trump has backfired.

No Trumpster he, Glenn Greenwald, citing a long list of politicized fabrications that “involved evidence-free assertions from anonymous sources that these media outlets uncritically treated as fact” -
https://theintercept.com/2017/06/27/cnn ... ia-threat/

Then, the secret video of a CNN producer who admits - "It's all bullshit . . . "
http://breaking.projectveritas.com/cnnpart2.html

Goodwin of NY Post - on the boomerang effect
http://nypost.com/2017/06/27/the-media- ... e-hurting/
 
I have never believed that Trump was consorting with the Russians to get himself elected. What he did was enough to get him elected by the Bogans, without any outside help. That doesn't mean he is not still a rat-bag. I've just finished reading a biography of Napoleon Bonaparte. His use of propaganda to manipulate the public was similar to Trump's technique. If the Russian thing was simply a tactic which failed, it gives Trump even more credibility, so in itself it is suspect.
 
Napoleon invented the game of modern politics. He had his own newspapers even when he was in Italy fighting the Austrians. Everything he did was about self-promotion even down to fiddling the figures about the enemies he conquered. I have often said 'the system runs on bullshit' - Napoleon was expert at it. And Trump is not much different. Murdoch is only one step away from the leader.
 
The intel community KNOW that the Ruskies hacked into Clintons emails.
Some very naive comments and sources in complete denial ??
If that didn't get Mr Trump elected, nothing did....

'Politics' has been a game from very ancient times. ?
That ole propaganda/epithet "ruler of the whole world" has been on business cards
since Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Assyrian, Viking times etc etc
 
Where's the Wall?

Why are wages still stagnant despite "Help Wanted" and "Now Hiring" signs hung everywhere.

How many times has he played golf so far?

How many more sweetheart deals with foreign governments to make family members rich does it take before people are actually outraged?
 
This whole "collusion" meme is a fraud.

No substantial, honest, reply to the links I posted above?

Crickets.
 
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